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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 12:56 AM
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Ban-D
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Not a problem for me and I cross their eyes. Even with a heavy action rod. I use the drag on my reel though and set it up to what I believe is correct. When I set the hook there is a slight slip. To many people tighten their drag way to tight.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: Ban-D]
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06/09/15 01:38 AM
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Happykamper
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I have broken 15 before because of a heavy rod and a hard hook set, rarely have i ever broke 20, I have snapped a couple of rods.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: Ban-D]
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06/09/15 02:30 AM
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Jake Shannon(Skeet4Life)
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Not a problem for me and I cross their eyes. Even with a heavy action rod. I use the drag on my reel though and set it up to what I believe is correct. When I set the hook there is a slight slip. To many people tighten their drag way to tight. 15lb or lower I use lighter drag with slight slip. Still hammers hook home
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 03:25 AM
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Dr JL
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I've been using Fluoro for about 3 years now and broken it on the hookset more often than all the 30+ years I've been fishing! I've read everything posted, blogged, and written on tying knots, tying the right kind of knots, rod guide cracks, and anything else I come across. Lot's of back and forth about knots and spit and other such discussion.
Many of you may have noticed how some guys break fluoro fairly regular and other guys never have a problem with it! On Saturday I had three rods with 20 lb. Fluoro on each, one jig, one creature, and one tube jig, two of them with Seaguar InvisX, and one with FC Super Sniper. I've used Berkley 100%, XPS, P-Line, and a bunch of other Fluoro line brands; I've broken all of them on the hookset.
With all that said, I was telling Grace about Saturday's tournament on Sunday and how I lost it with four broken lines on the hookset!!! We only ended up weighing two keepers. I was obviously still frustrated the next day.
Grace said, without pause, "It's your hookset!" "You set the hook like some kinda gorilla and you're not going to change that!" Suddenly, it was like a light came on for me. There are so many guys who complain, like me about Fluoro breaking, 90% of the time on the hookset. This makes sense to me. We all have our technique and have been doing this for so long it's a lot of muscle memory and reaction time. Some guys just shouldn't fish Fluoro because they're technique and Fluoro don't mix!
While I love the characteristics of Fluoro, it has cost me way to many fish over the years because I break it. Just a tiny knick or scrap in the line and the line 'tears' easily. As long as the line is 100% sound throughout it's length it is super strong but any defect coupled with a heavy handed hookset and you're looking at snappage!!!
When your Fluoro breaks because of a bad knot it normally will have a 'curly que' at the end, when it breaks from being hung up and you pull until it snaps it has a 'frazzled' end, but when it breaks on a hookset because of a knick or tear, it has a smooth uniform end. It usually is within the first two or three feet from the bait, sometimes up the line but it is caused by the sudden impact.
I think I'm going to end up using it much more sparingly for specific circumstances and start using heavy mono more for close in flipping and pitching. All of this is just my experience over several years of doing the samething with the same results on too many occasions. Good move. I agree .
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 02:01 PM
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Ken A.
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Grace said, without pause, "It's your hookset!" "You set the hook like some kinda gorilla and you're not going to change that!" Suddenly, it was like a light came on for me. There are so many guys who complain, like me about Fluoro breaking, 90% of the time on the hookset. This makes sense to me. We all have our technique and have been doing this for so long it's a lot of muscle memory and reaction time. Some guys just shouldn't fish Fluoro because they're technique and Fluoro don't mix!
The same thing was happening to me when I first started using it. Drop down one power in your rods. This will solve your problem.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: Ken A.]
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06/09/15 02:20 PM
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Dosser
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Sorry to hear of your luck with fluoro!
I use it exclusively for anything from drop shot to shaky head to heavy jigs. I agree with Mark, in the few times I have snapped it on a hookset, it was my own fault.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 02:34 PM
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Rudy Lackey
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 02:35 PM
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GeoFisher
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John,
I feel your pain. I believe everyone has had some "growing pains" with Fluoro at one time or another. For me, I have found that my rod MUST have a little "tip" at the end for fluoro to work its best. I repeatedly snapped 15-20 lb fluoro on hook sets when I first started using it. Its not the line, it is the rod you are using. For me, I will not use anything less than 20 lb fluoro with a HEAVY ACTION ROD, and that is pushing it, especially when flipping and in close quarters. For 12-17 lb Fluoro, to me, there must be some forgiveness in the tip or heartbreak is imminent. I use either the San Diego Jam or Fishin Fool knot and have never had issues with knot failure. I do not recommend using the Palomar knot for fluoro. These are just my experiences over the past 3 to 4 years and line failure has become non existent (at least for now!)
Everything on your bass boat is broken......You just don't know it yet.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 02:54 PM
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ruasoonerfan2
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I'm just a weekend fisherman, no tourneys just fun fishing with friends. I tried fluoro several times and have had all the problems all of you have had with it. I probably don't retie as often as I should and backlash more than I should but because of that I do not use fluoro anymore. I stick with mono and braid because I just don't take care of my line like I should. Just my 2 cents.
20' Skeeter, 200 Yamaha Oklahoma Pride Big John Float Tube PB's Largemouth 9-8 Smallmouth 4-12 Crappie 3-10
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 02:55 PM
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Brad R
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Lots of "knot" responses and I think this can often be the culprit. But, C.A.S.T. clearly defines his issues by the way his line looks after the break off. He is saying it isn't breaking at the knot . . . but up the line a foot or two.
So, maybe someone has mentioned this and I missed it, but what if what is really happening is the line is being weakened at just about the point where it is being bent forward and backward at the tip end of the actual casting motion against the rod tip? And, since our lines twist a bit here and there, over the course of a few casts, and you have now bent the fluorocarbon around the entirety of its circumference. This would be sort of analogous to the weakness one creates in a metal clothes hanger when you bend it back and forth several times to snap it. It gets hot, there is unseen damage, then it just breaks. Metal is not necessarily brittle; fluorocarbon is so it would likely be affected to at least the same extent.
I think the reason the pros have so much success with fluorocarbon, they do you know, is they re-tie after every day for the most part as best I know. Most of us don't clip off the ends of our lines and re-tie from back up the line that often. For one thing, if your fluorocarbon leader is 5 or 10 feet, you have to then tie another danged line-to-line knot.
Aaron Martens has that sort of weird video where he recommends using braid backing for fluorocarbon and says it gets him extra casting distance. What he also says is he ties the two together with, what, no, not a uni-to-uni or an Alberto or FG, but a simple overhand knot. It is so far up in the reel it makes no difference and he said he does this because he re-ties so often.
So, maybe your big hook set is one issue; but, it is caused by weakened line from the casting around the tip of your rod?
Brad
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 03:06 PM
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Reel N Fish
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Look up Mark Pack's video on the double San Diego jam knot. Using it will eliminate the problem of breaking off on the hook-set.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: Reel N Fish]
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06/09/15 03:39 PM
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Happykamper
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Man I gotta tell ya, I use Diawa Samarai 40-50 pound braid with Inviz 20 pound leader line for a leader, if you beak line on hook set then you tied a bad knot, period. If you backlash a lot then fluro may not be a good choice for your crank baits and spinner baits etc.
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 04:05 PM
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catslayer
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your knots are bad... sorry I use it about 40% of the time, braid the other 60 never have issue unless I'm doing something that I shouldn't be (flipping with 12lb test etc) I SWING when I set the hook
Go watch Aaron martins Tackle Dr. videos, he talks about knots, and he talks about how to put in insert in tungsten... he explains how why and what happens great videos, you will lose less fish.
"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: jwatts77]
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06/09/15 04:38 PM
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Jake Shannon(Skeet4Life)
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If ur snapping 20lb floro on hook sets its probabaly ur knot breaking. 20lb invisix tied with a double uni or double Sam Diego jam will be so hard to break u will need to wrap it around ur trolling motor
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Re: Hooksets & Fluorocarbon
[Re: Reel N Fish]
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06/09/15 04:39 PM
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Jake Shannon(Skeet4Life)
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Look up Mark Pack's video on the double San Diego jam knot. Using it will eliminate the problem of breaking off on the hook-set. Yep or double Uni I like Uni because I can tie it faster
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