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 Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
[Re: fouzman]
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06/04/15 03:25 PM
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musiclife_7
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I saw this the other day....yes it's absolutely sad. However it's still little better than 95% release rate which is just over the national average(88%). We all can do better, every one of us. Nice topic to post Fouz!!
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 06:27 PM
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senko9S
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curious to what the air, water and livewell temps were.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 06:40 PM
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I saw this the other day....yes it's absolutely sad. However it's still little better than 95% release rate which is just over the national average(88%). We all can do better, every one of us. Nice topic to post Fouz!! Food for thought 95% is just that single event. Imagine 88% weekly, for the entire summer. You're high-grading to top it off. You're losing a bunch of your best brood stock.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 06:54 PM
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furim2
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Back in the late nineties, the TPWD did a study at Lake Fork on post release motality. It was all done scientifically by bioligists. It showed a huge percentage of fish caught, carried around in livewells, then released into fenced off areas of the lake died after several days. Bass fishermen didn't want to believe it then, and I doubt if they'll believe it now. Just because the fish swims away, doesn't mean it goes on to live a happy life. That's especially true of fish that have been fizzed. You let out enough air, and they go down. All the way to the bottom and die. All dead fish don't float. A long time ago, I was told by the guys with the Shimano boat, they carried them to the middle of the lake to dump the released fish because they didn't want the dead ones floating up in the host marina.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 07:06 PM
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I wish all tournaments would go to the TTBC and MLF formats, but we know that isn't pratical for the smaller trails. Would it become practical if they started using GoPros in all boats to monitor weights? Probably not feasible now, but when GP battery life improves, it might be a real option that could have a significant positive effect.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 07:15 PM
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musiclife_7
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I saw this the other day....yes it's absolutely sad. However it's still little better than 95% release rate which is just over the national average(88%). We all can do better, every one of us. Nice topic to post Fouz!! Food for thought 95% is just that single event. Imagine 88% weekly, for the entire summer. You're high-grading to top it off. You're losing a bunch of your best brood stock. 88% is weekly for the year across ALL tournaments either local, major, club and others. I'm the conservation officer for my club and have done a ton of research on this exact topic. It's incredibly sad how much waste we have across the country. We've really taken a ton of steps to improve this area but there is more to be done.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 07:17 PM
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musiclife_7
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to add....PMR is as high as 40% in some lakes where water temp rises above 95 degrees during tournaments.
People don't realize how much stress temperature puts on fish. It's pretty crazy.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
[Re: fouzman]
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06/04/15 09:11 PM
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Bruce Allen
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That very same group ABA/Triton is coming to Lake Fork on Sept 27 using the same format. And bringing the aforementioned live release boat instead of using the one residing at Lake Fork.
I'd suggest that since it is an owners event they change the format to the more fish friendly hourly model used by Skeeter.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 09:40 PM
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Dr JL
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I like the MLF format better- better for fish- better competition- better to watch,
Just imo -I have no facts for any of that and probably not feasible for all but that's what I think.
Fish mortality would decrease- probably a fact there.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 11:29 PM
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Back in the late nineties, the TPWD did a study at Lake Fork on post release motality. It was all done scientifically by bioligists. It showed a huge percentage of fish caught, carried around in livewells, then released into fenced off areas of the lake died after several days. Bass fishermen didn't want to believe it then, and I doubt if they'll believe it now. Just because the fish swims away, doesn't mean it goes on to live a happy life. That's especially true of fish that have been fizzed. You let out enough air, and they go down. All the way to the bottom and die. All dead fish don't float. A long time ago, I was told by the guys with the Shimano boat, they carried them to the middle of the lake to dump the released fish because they didn't want the dead ones floating up in the host marina. I wonder if any other fish, that were not carried around all day in livewells were put in there also to see if the staying in a fenced in area and not allowing them to go where they wanted had any affect on the fish mortality?
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 11:41 PM
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SpiderJig
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But everyone claims to handle fish with such care. how could it be!!!
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/04/15 11:59 PM
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There's only one true way to minimize this mortality and that's to completely eliminate the retention of fish.
It's not practical in all tournament formats.
In fact, I'm trying to remember if I saw a single fish fizzed in the TTBC coverage last year. I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying I didn't see it.
There were a ton of fish brought up from 20+ feet. Don't recall seeing this in any BASS or Major League events I've watched either. Again, doesn't mean it isn't happening but if it is, what a perfect platform to educate others about it.
If it's important enough for the pros to do, surely it should be for every John Q Angler.
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
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06/05/15 12:06 AM
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crankbait745
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There's only one true way to minimize this mortality and that's to completely eliminate the retention of fish.
It's not practical in all tournament formats.
In fact, I'm trying to remember if I saw a single fish fizzed in the TTBC coverage last year. I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying I didn't see it.
There were a ton of fish brought up from 20+ feet. Don't recall seeing this in any BASS or Major League events I've watched either. Again, doesn't mean it isn't happening but if it is, what a perfect platform to educate others about it.
If it's important enough for the pros to do, surely it should be for every John Q Angler. The way I minimize mortality is by not catching any, at least lately!
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Re: Post Tournament Mortality at Kentucky Lake
[Re: fouzman]
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06/05/15 06:34 PM
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Bruce Allen
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So all of you that are saying you would like to see the retention of fish eliminated would gladly volunteer to judge all of those other tournaments.
Somebody has to do it so why not you according to you.
Our little club at Lake Fork is a draw club. No teams. So therefore each angler measures the others fish, records the length and then the bass are released. It is easier all around not to have to deal with "handling" the fish more than we have too.
But that is not the answer for all tournaments. Not yet anyhow.
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