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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Check out the book Spoonplugging by Buck Perry also. He explains the movements of the bass, season to season and how they relate to structure and cover in the lake. He has drawings in the book also to help you understand what he is talking about.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Man oh man am I glad I asked about this because it would have taken me years to figure this out. Hopefully someday I can pay it forward. I have the home study course by Buck Perry and it has changed my thinking completely and will be working on putting all this knowledge to work so it becomes second nature. Thanks again for all the knowledge.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Well in that case you are well on you way. The Buck Perry volumes 7A & 7B address mapping and interpretation. Read enough of the literature different authors will use different terminology. Funnels are sometimes called drains which is essentially where water erosion has formed the low spot and created the structure. I was really glad to see KD above make the distinction between cover and structure.
I have Hope's book as well and the swim bladder comment above makes perfect sense for unspooked fish remain at a depth at which they are comfortable. There have been many times I have graphed fish suspended out over a creek channel at the same depth as the breakline of a point or hump. If I recall correctly he also describes two types of fish. There are both chasers and ambushers and I have seen many times where fish are chasing shad down the lake.
Other examples of funnels would include where water runs off a high spot like a big point or underwater hump creating a drain or possible path that fish would follow to go shallow. Or where a creek bend (channel swing) forms an underwater point.
Good luck.
JT
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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The fish Hope tracked was caught by Dennis Canada and was the third largest fish ever caught in Texas at the time. (15.54lbs). Canada caught "Missy" 3 times, two with the aid of a transmitter. The fish was caught all three times in the same creek. In the spring, she would move up and partially spawn during the week and when Saturday morning came, she would move off her bed and suspend over the creek in 25 ft of water. She would stay there until Sunday afternoon and move up to the bed again when all the boat traffic subsided on the lake. I love it when the crowds leave on Sunday.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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thanks again. One question: In John's book what was he talking about when he mentioned little caney at fork and the road bed on the north end? Was he saying the road bed was a funnel? I assume this is what he meant plus I believe there is an old bridge/culvert there I.E. The road crosses the creek channel hence access to deep and shallow. Two structures and mentioned weeds growing and I assume there are stumps or trees there as well making it a 2x2 spot? I just need to get out and make it happen. Hoping to join the DD club sooner than later but got to take care of family first. 2 with one due in June. Living the dream.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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where can i get some good topography maps for free?
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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The fish Hope tracked was caught by Dennis Canada and was the third largest fish ever caught in Texas at the time. (15.54lbs). Canada caught "Missy" 3 times, two with the aid of a transmitter. The fish was caught all three times in the same creek. In the spring, she would move up and partially spawn during the week and when Saturday morning came, she would move off her bed and suspend over the creek in 25 ft of water. She would stay there until Sunday afternoon and move up to the bed again when all the boat traffic subsided on the lake. I love it when the crowds leave on Sunday. I remember reading this well. Very crucial info. Played out for me over many years and many lakes. Noise, boats traffic, Sonos, motors, etc are not good for big fish in general, especially at certain times.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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All the funnel stuff mentioned I agree with. For me the funnel deal has worked best on clearer lakes while night fishing. Parallel casts and don't move much or make much noise. It takes lots of patience but the method does work.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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I would love to see his tracking studies continued and expanded with new high tech equipment- I'm not sure what that would entail but what a wonderful study to expound on.
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Also to add to Hope's tips for catching a big bass at Fork, he said that the magic depth at Fork was 12' due to the way the lake filled. The first three years the lake was open it was 12' below current pool if memory serves me correctly.
I fished it many times back then in the early '80's when the lake was new. When the lake finally filled and opened in 1983, it was like a jungle. All the trees held their leaves even though they turned brown, they didn't fall off for several years. The wasps nests were unbelievable too. The fish schooled in the creeks like you would not believe. It was bass Heaven all through the mid to late '80's.
Mark caught Ethel the day before Thanksgiving in 1986. I remember the day very well. I was in Dallas at work and it was very warm for November. I remember thinking how I wished I was fishing as I took off my jacket due to it being about 75 degrees and calm. Later that afternoon I got a call from a friend of mine telling me that the state record had been broken at Fork. We were all in disbelief due to the lake being so new. Technically it was only a three year old lake!
I later fished with the late Gayland Poe that owned and operated Val's Landing with his wife Val. Gayland had the net that netted Ethel on display in his store. Guess what depth Ethel was caught?? The magic 12 foot, right on the edge of a creek that dropped into 20 feet.
At the time, Mark Stevenson and Ronnie Byrd were the two top guides on Fork. They both told me to concentrate on the 12' depth were there were intersections of a creek, a road, a treeline, a hump, etc.
That information has served me well over the years. Hope this helps.
Ken
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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where can i get some good topography maps for free?
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Also to add to Hope's tips for catching a big bass at Fork, he said that the magic depth at Fork was 12' due to the way the lake filled. The first three years the lake was open it was 12' below current pool if memory serves me correctly.
I fished it many times back then in the early '80's when the lake was new. When the lake finally filled and opened in 1983, it was like a jungle. All the trees held their leaves even though they turned brown, they didn't fall off for several years. The wasps nests were unbelievable too. The fish schooled in the creeks like you would not believe. It was bass Heaven all through the mid to late '80's.
Mark caught Ethel the day before Thanksgiving in 1986. I remember the day very well. I was in Dallas at work and it was very warm for November. I remember thinking how I wished I was fishing as I took off my jacket due to it being about 75 degrees and calm. Later that afternoon I got a call from a friend of mine telling me that the state record had been broken at Fork. We were all in disbelief due to the lake being so new. Technically it was only a three year old lake!
I later fished with the late Gayland Poe that owned and operated Val's Landing with his wife Val. Gayland had the net that netted Ethel on display in his store. Guess what depth Ethel was caught?? The magic 12 foot, right on the edge of a creek that dropped into 20 feet.
At the time, Mark Stevenson and Ronnie Byrd were the two top guides on Fork. They both told me to concentrate on the 12' depth were there were intersections of a creek, a road, a treeline, a hump, etc.
That information has served me well over the years. Hope this helps.
Ken
Great story and info. Thanks Ken!
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Great thread. Thanks for even more info
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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I have not had a chance to get out and work on learning how to fish these. Anyone who read this that did know about it before test it and have success? Just wondering how much fishing time it took to find a good funnel on a decent size lake. Did you fish slow like john said or did you try to cover water as many funnels as possible?
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Re: Funnel points, what did John Hope mean?
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Most funnels you can find on your map, I sat and fished across from mike iconaelli on a funnel Ive had much success. Was great knowing he had the same strategy as I did, I was just pleasure fishing tho, I caught a nice slot and he gave me thumbs up,..... All depends on what they are doing. I usually pull a Carolina rig and crank bait from one side to another. I usually start shallowest part of the funnel early morning then move out deeper as the day progresses, I found early morning shad are up shallow then move out deeper as the sun gets up. And the bass follow em, I've set and watched on my graph, on a point a school of bass 3-4 would go out and chase shad to the timber line and bass would sit at the timber line and pick off shad they would do this routinely.
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