I have to laugh at that one Senko, One eye I am by no means trying to insult you but...where are you going with that post? I did'nt follow you there. Is it the use real oxygen subject again? If so what does your system consist of? and what brand is it?

this guy didnt do texas tackle any favors by writing this on fishing forum. he didnt say the fish was sick just that her jaw was hurt. which i think he is crazy. i haved ripped some lips off before but never broken a jaw...

What do you think is worse - rearing back with a 7' heavy or picking a bass out of the water by the lower jaw?

I'm just glad we put most of our bass back in the water. Remember, we all have the right to send 5 of those fish to the fryer.

It's nice to offer information about better bass care, but let's not start ripping each other apart over how we return fish to the water.

One eye

Here is what I saw. The fishermen started coming in at 6:30, last one (Roland Martin) weighed after 7:15. All of the fish that were staged in the tanks behind the stage were alive when weighed (that I saw). The same with the fish after they came off of the stage.

That was one heck of a show that I saw then. We can only do what we can do to get the fish back to the lake alive. If they do not survive, they become part of the food chain again. If I were to sweat over the post hook survival rate of every fish I caught, I'd stop fishing. Most of the fish I release give me a good splash before they take off. I believe they'll be OK.

Quote from PETA:

If you think catch-and-release is �sporting,� think again. Comedian Ellen DeGeneres� analogy is to run some pedestrians down with your car. When they get up and brush themselves off, roll down the window and say, �OK, you can go now. I just wanted to see if I could hit ya!� Never mind that they might be suffering injuries to their fins, or limbs, and internal organs�that�s part of the �fun,� right?

Ellen DeGeneres�
http://www.peta.org/living/AT-Summer1999/fish.html

Guess PETA is getting ready to strat working on us next! Ugh

Oh no!!!!! Who let One Eye back in here???? All you have to do is mention something about handling fish at tournaments and here comes a feakin 1000 word essay on oxygen systems, I'll bet this guy has been kicking back for a month now waiting on this to come back up. So one eye what company are you selling for???

Would it be a viable option to tag each fish before they are released? Or maybe just tag fish that were over a certain weight?

I realize that a lot of fish that die never surface to be seen again, but at least this would track the ones that did surface.

Additionally, the fish that were tagged during the tournament and survived could be caught again and records kept on the fishes size, weight overall health at the time of release and then updated at the time of being caught again.

Not to mention, how stoked the person who caught that 11+ pounder out of Lewisville the second time would be to know or find out that they caught the same fish that KVD caught.

Just a thougt.

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Darrell should get together with these peta people and then maybe someone would possibly see things your way. As far what I see your main goal here is to sell stuff and line your pocket s look at your post. One thing I bet you did not know.............you see those Cull-R-Rope fish culling system thing a ma jigs that you advertise on you web page...........ever see what they do to a fish's mouth?????? But I am sure since it makes you money that it is ok to over look things like that. Those I have seen rip a fish's whole lip off! Have time to talk about those?

Er ah who is Darrell?

oops tnt I guess I better pay attention.

the one who started this thread

If you think catch-and-release is �sporting,� think again. Comedian Ellen DeGeneres� analogy is to run some pedestrians down with your car. When they get up and brush themselves off, roll down the window and say, �OK, you can go now. I just wanted to see if I could hit ya!� Never mind that they might be suffering injuries to their fins, or limbs, and internal organs�that�s part of the �fun,� right?


Now here is a real apples to oranges comparison. This gal does' nt even know who she is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think she even knows what sex she is!!!!

appreciate all the posts..even the ones that don't have much to contribute or try to change the subject.

My opinions are based on reading everything I've come across on delayed mortality, talking with biologists, raising tropical fish by the hundred thousands, engineering, biology, and plain old common sense.

The fact that a fish swims away and "appears" ok means absolutely nothing.

The hyperextension of the jaw hinge is just one of at least four factors that will determine whether the fish survives long term.The others that we all know about are oxygen level, ammonia level, and the slime coat. Any of them by itself or in combination past a certain tolerance point will kill the fish in a matter of days or weeks.

From my knowledge of leverage in mechanical engineering I would be not at all surprised, making rough calculations, to find out that holding a fish of only 3-4 lbs horizontally by the lower lip would exert a torque on the jaw hinge of about 25 ft/lbs. If that doesn't mean much to you try biting down on a 12" ruler and putting a 25 lb weight on the end. Of course this wouldn't really be accurate because your neck muscles would be holding the weight rather than your lower jaw muscles. Something else to consider is that if you quickly jerk the fish to horizontal that figure would spike considerably higher.

Lastly, let me say couple of things about what I believe. I believe the animal kingdom is for us to rule and use in a responsible manner. One of the uses is food and I wouldn't hesitate to kill and eat an animal if I needed to. In fact my motto is "if you kill it, eat it". And, that would apply to a fish, deer, water buffalo, lion, elephant, hippo, whatever. The other is a boy scout motto which is "leave it better than you found it".

Yes, much progress had been made with catch and release. I'm just saying that more can be done.

Darrell