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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Stucky76]
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03/03/15 09:41 PM
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Guide Chuck Rollins
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I made a similar post a few years ago and got a little grief, so this is with advance apology to anyone that disagrees. It is just my own belief and has served me quite well through the years.
These are my opinions that I formed and firmed up after reading a doctoral thesis / dissertation on the Reproduction of Crappie. If I could find the original I would scan it and post it up. I had the paper copy. I had contact with the author sharing what I had witnessed during my many working dives. I have made hundreds of scuba dives witnessing the behavior as well as owning a small lake outside my kitchen door where I had coffee every morning watching " my little buddies " all year long for 18 years.
They will spawn, they don't really have much of a choice. They can retain eggs until they are milk, but while we have all seen that throughout the years, it is rare and usually follows a season/year of back to back minor fronts and weather extremeties , but seldom including low water.
Crappie eggs are sticky and usually deposited on anything vertical that appears to be stable enough at the right depth. The depth is dictated by light penetration given the right temperature range and daylight hours. They will lay/deposit eggs on the side of an aluminum pontoon moored in a slip even. There are deposits on almost every shaded side of the Styrofoam flotation blocks supporting marinas.
They will deposit on fresh green growth but not dead winter stalks of reeds. The more dead of obstructive growth there is the more desirable the location but the primary material needs to be strong enough to weather waves and agitation of weather events.
They will not deposit on, or in mud. What a lot of people say are beds are just the males cleaning the mud away to find a suitable underlayment. "Cleaning the gravel" if you will. The males will do this cleaning to the Styrofoam block or side of pilings they are prepping. They will brush algae away from foam or wood pilings before the female will lay. Their tails will look worn like bass that has been fanning gravel for two days.
The water clarity dictates the light penetration from the sun, the structure surrounding dictates the directness of the light, and paths of shadows moving during the day.
Most all types of larvae represent a threat to the eggs while still in clutch so any bait that has legs or feelers is prone to get hit anywhere near a clutch of eggs. Regular jigs obviously work great, but undersell the importance of "legs" advancing the aggressiveness of the hit. Part feeding and part defense.
Colors??? Crappie see more in gray scale than in color, but that doesn't mean that chartreuse doesn't look different than root beer to them. They have very high resolution vision allowing them to define shapes in very murky water and see in many shades of gray. subtle color changes do show to them. I will always spend a minute deciding which color I am going to use and why. Here is an excerpt typical of what you see if you Google " can crappie see color? Just pay attention to the scientists and not the crappie forums:-)
The quote" Many kinds of fish can actually see color. Some can see at least 24 different shades of color. Night feeders such as walleye and crappie trade good color vision for the ability to see well when there is not much light. "
Like I said, just my opinion and I could be wrong. Phill Great post! I agree, great post.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: James Rains]
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03/03/15 10:01 PM
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Bud B
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Great info, Carver. It will all be about how firm the bottom is. Sandy gravel or rocks are best bet. This is a key, and for me, is the biggest problem with low water. My favorite spawning fishing is shallow, with a jig and bobber, in protected coves. But, when coves get low, most of the bottom tends to be very silty and soft, with little cover, and lots of the coves that worked well for me with a higher water level, won't work in low water, even though there's still protected, good looking, water in the cove. If you can find a recently dredged cove, that's a good place to start in low water. My .02, YMMV.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Bud B]
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03/03/15 10:29 PM
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dwmoore
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Carver]
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03/04/15 02:03 AM
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Ken Gaby
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I made a similar post a few years ago and got a little grief, so this is with advance apology to anyone that disagrees. It is just my own belief and has served me quite well through the years.
These are my opinions that I formed and firmed up after reading a doctoral thesis / dissertation on the Reproduction of Crappie. If I could find the original I would scan it and post it up. I had the paper copy. I had contact with the author sharing what I had witnessed during my many working dives. I have made hundreds of scuba dives witnessing the behavior as well as owning a small lake outside my kitchen door where I had coffee every morning watching " my little buddies " all year long for 18 years.
They will spawn, they don't really have much of a choice. They can retain eggs until they are milk, but while we have all seen that throughout the years, it is rare and usually follows a season/year of back to back minor fronts and weather extremeties , but seldom including low water.
Crappie eggs are sticky and usually deposited on anything vertical that appears to be stable enough at the right depth. The depth is dictated by light penetration given the right temperature range and daylight hours. They will lay/deposit eggs on the side of an aluminum pontoon moored in a slip even. There are deposits on almost every shaded side of the Styrofoam flotation blocks supporting marinas.
They will deposit on fresh green growth but not dead winter stalks of reeds. The more dead of obstructive growth there is the more desirable the location but the primary material needs to be strong enough to weather waves and agitation of weather events.
They will not deposit on, or in mud. What a lot of people say are beds are just the males cleaning the mud away to find a suitable underlayment. "Cleaning the gravel" if you will. The males will do this cleaning to the Styrofoam block or side of pilings they are prepping. They will brush algae away from foam or wood pilings before the female will lay. Their tails will look worn like bass that has been fanning gravel for two days.
The water clarity dictates the light penetration from the sun, the structure surrounding dictates the directness of the light, and paths of shadows moving during the day.
Most all types of larvae represent a threat to the eggs while still in clutch so any bait that has legs or feelers is prone to get hit anywhere near a clutch of eggs. Regular jigs obviously work great, but undersell the importance of "legs" advancing the aggressiveness of the hit. Part feeding and part defense.
Colors??? Crappie see more in gray scale than in color, but that doesn't mean that chartreuse doesn't look different than root beer to them. They have very high resolution vision allowing them to define shapes in very murky water and see in many shades of gray. subtle color changes do show to them. I will always spend a minute deciding which color I am going to use and why. Here is an excerpt typical of what you see if you Google " can crappie see color? Just pay attention to the scientists and not the crappie forums:-)
The quote" Many kinds of fish can actually see color. Some can see at least 24 different shades of color. Night feeders such as walleye and crappie trade good color vision for the ability to see well when there is not much light. "
Like I said, just my opinion and I could be wrong. Phill Excellent information and advice.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Carver]
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03/04/15 02:04 AM
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I-35 North
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I made a similar post a few years ago and got a little grief, so this is with advance apology to anyone that disagrees. It is just my own belief and has served me quite well through the years.
These are my opinions that I formed and firmed up after reading a doctoral thesis / dissertation on the Reproduction of Crappie. If I could find the original I would scan it and post it up. I had the paper copy. I had contact with the author sharing what I had witnessed during my many working dives. I have made hundreds of scuba dives witnessing the behavior as well as owning a small lake outside my kitchen door where I had coffee every morning watching " my little buddies " all year long for 18 years.
They will spawn, they don't really have much of a choice. They can retain eggs until they are milk, but while we have all seen that throughout the years, it is rare and usually follows a season/year of back to back minor fronts and weather extremeties , but seldom including low water.
Crappie eggs are sticky and usually deposited on anything vertical that appears to be stable enough at the right depth. The depth is dictated by light penetration given the right temperature range and daylight hours. They will lay/deposit eggs on the side of an aluminum pontoon moored in a slip even. There are deposits on almost every shaded side of the Styrofoam flotation blocks supporting marinas.
They will deposit on fresh green growth but not dead winter stalks of reeds. The more dead of obstructive growth there is the more desirable the location but the primary material needs to be strong enough to weather waves and agitation of weather events.
They will not deposit on, or in mud. What a lot of people say are beds are just the males cleaning the mud away to find a suitable underlayment. "Cleaning the gravel" if you will. The males will do this cleaning to the Styrofoam block or side of pilings they are prepping. They will brush algae away from foam or wood pilings before the female will lay. Their tails will look worn like bass that has been fanning gravel for two days.
The water clarity dictates the light penetration from the sun, the structure surrounding dictates the directness of the light, and paths of shadows moving during the day.
Most all types of larvae represent a threat to the eggs while still in clutch so any bait that has legs or feelers is prone to get hit anywhere near a clutch of eggs. Regular jigs obviously work great, but undersell the importance of "legs" advancing the aggressiveness of the hit. Part feeding and part defense.
Colors??? Crappie see more in gray scale than in color, but that doesn't mean that chartreuse doesn't look different than root beer to them. They have very high resolution vision allowing them to define shapes in very murky water and see in many shades of gray. subtle color changes do show to them. I will always spend a minute deciding which color I am going to use and why. Here is an excerpt typical of what you see if you Google " can crappie see color? Just pay attention to the scientists and not the crappie forums:-)
The quote" Many kinds of fish can actually see color. Some can see at least 24 different shades of color. Night feeders such as walleye and crappie trade good color vision for the ability to see well when there is not much light. "
Like I said, just my opinion and I could be wrong. Phill
Good read. A lot of this stuff sounds like Todd Huckabee's thoughts and theories. If you ever get the opportunity to listen to Todd, I highly recommend it. Very interesting stuff that he believes in and has proof to back it up. I will warn you though that his stuff will go against everything we've ever been taught as crappie fishermen!
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Fishing man88]
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03/04/15 02:26 AM
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Kingcarl
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I think I just heard the mic drop! That was the most information I have read on this forum in a single post. Grant it I haven't been here long and do not know much about crappie but I believe I just read crappie spawn 101. Thank you very much sir.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Tommy Ezell]
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03/04/15 02:36 AM
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kennerdude
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Fishing man88]
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03/04/15 02:55 AM
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Senior Q
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This was great information. Now I understand why around docks even more. Great info.
It's a great day because I'm not 6 feet under.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Kingcarl]
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03/04/15 03:40 AM
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Stucky76
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I think I just heard the mic drop! That was the most information I have read on this forum in a single post. Grant it I haven't been here long and do not know much about crappie but I believe I just read crappie spawn 101. Thank you very much sir. Dude, this is what this forum was like 5 years ago. Information like this was all you saw on most every post.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Fishing man88]
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03/04/15 03:46 AM
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larry mays
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Very good info from all of you, if you like this type of fishing just start on the north end and follow water temp South. The thing to learn going south is what do they do after the Spawn.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Fishing man88]
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03/04/15 04:53 AM
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leanin post
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GREAT INFO, THANKS !!! Maybe some big styrofoam blocks weighted down in spawn areas would be a good idea.
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Re: Crappie Experts!! I need some help
[Re: Fishing man88]
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03/04/15 06:20 AM
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fishing_ken
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Im almost sure that's Todd Huckabee. I listened to him speak last year and he really will throw some brain teasers at you. Good info for sure...
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