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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10451787 12/04/14 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: LoneStar64
I fished one of the tourneys that they cheated in,the kykx big bass classic. Prizes were worth 105k that year. They then went to the kyks tourney and won that one. They finally got caught if I remember at another big payout down south. There was another time that a cheater was caught at the kykx tourney with weights stuffed in the fish. I guess stay away from the Kykx tournament!!!

I have a question since we are on the subject: do you think it is cheating if a tournament angler gets someone like let's say a guide's sd card and downloads some spots to their unit and wins with these spots?? Not trying to start any flaming but was curious what y'all thought???


Generally, no. Guides are usually booked all week long preceding the major big bass tournaments that come to Lake Fork. Not to mention all the folks that call them just to ask for general areas/techniques and cough up a few dollars for the info. Just because the fish are there one day doesn't mean they'll be there on tournament day.

Now if there is a tournament that has a rule against it, then it is plain out cheating. The THSBA has a rule against it for two weeks prior to their tournaments. Bass Champs has amended their rule for 2015 to include "receiving" information from anyone that has been on the lake during the off limits period, regardless of whether compensation is involved. If someone took the information you mentioned in either of those cases and tried to enter the tournament, I would consider it to be an attempt to cheat.


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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10451851 12/04/14 04:09 AM
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If anyone on here likes casual reading, I recommend the book Double Whammy by Carl Hussein. Hilarious fiction book about cheating in bass fishing.

Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: slim 285] #10451982 12/04/14 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: slim 285
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I'd put my money on more than 50 percent have cheating of one level or another.


50%, are you serious or are you trying to be cute?


Doug I was thinking of several words when I read that but CUTE was not one of them .


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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: Mark Perry] #10451984 12/04/14 10:58 AM
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I can't tell you how many cheaters there are each year, only how many get caught. A good cheater would never when a tournament and deal with a polygraph. Just place high enough to make money and not draw attention. If there's money involved, then someone is trying to figure a way to beat the system and get it. I'd put my money on more than 50 percent have cheating of one level or another. Just because a person didn't win in the tournament doesn't mean that they didn't cheat.


Guess you know more bad folks in fishing than I do. I bet the number is less than 1% myself.



I meant 50 percent of the tournaments not 50 percent of the contestants. It was late for me when I typed that

Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: Bobby Milam] #10452018 12/04/14 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Milam
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I can't tell you how many cheaters there are each year, only how many get caught. A good cheater would never when a tournament and deal with a polygraph. Just place high enough to make money and not draw attention. If there's money involved, then someone is trying to figure a way to beat the system and get it. I'd put my money on more than 50 percent have cheating of one level or another. Just because a person didn't win in the tournament doesn't mean that they didn't cheat.


Guess you know more bad folks in fishing than I do. I bet the number is less than 1% myself.



I meant 50 percent of the tournaments not 50 percent of the contestants. It was late for me when I typed that


this post is a finalist for the dumbest thing I have read on TFF in 2014


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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10452252 12/04/14 02:55 PM
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A looong time ago when I helped develop and manage the Lakes of Danbury, I also worked as an "inspector" or whatever you wanted to call it, at some fishing tournaments. I never saw much cheating my own self, but heard some gawdawful stories....no names..

One cheater was caught because the fish in question regurgitated some bait species not found in the lake the fish was supposed to be caught from. Either the fish was from another lake or it had some minnows stuffed down its craw...

But the worst I heard about was insidious, difficult to detect, and ultimately lethal to the fish. So much more subtle than just putting some lead in the fish, or injecting water in the fish, or some other things....this was bad.

Using a piano wire through the vent of a gravid female, the ovary can be ripped open, exposing the eggs inside to water coming into the vent, the eggs will swell and the fish will gain up to half a pound in water weight. Only by actually dissecting the fish can this be discovered.

That one was about the money.

Especially given the context of where the writer was from and what he does, that article was not all that bad.

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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: armadillo joe] #10474826 12/15/14 08:19 PM
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Back in the early 80s there was a real cheating ring around when they had the Texas Roadrunner tournaments. There were guys bringing bass from Fla. and a few here were buying them. The ring got broken up and one of the ringleaders was found by a pond in Grand Prairie shot dead.

Wow! what a story. Somebody should write an article about that!

Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10474853 12/15/14 08:30 PM
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Years ago, the Granbury Bass Club put on an open tournament every year. I'm thinking it was around 1987 or 1988, the first two or three finishers were disqualified if I'm not mistaken. All failed the polygraph over one simple question... "Have you ever cheated in a bass tournament?"....
Maybe an old timer from the club might remember that.


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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10474893 12/15/14 08:51 PM
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I'm not a tournament fisherman, but I do find it ironically funny that officals would determine the outcome of a bass tournament
by giving fishermen a lie detector test.. fish

Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10476633 12/16/14 04:42 PM
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If you want to read a hilarious novel about bass fishing cheaters get Carl Haissen's THE DOUBLE WHAMMY. He's nuts, as are his characters. It's one of his older ones, but it's a scream. By the way, the Double Whammy is the name of a lure.

Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: CrankAddict] #10476796 12/16/14 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: CrankAddict
Originally Posted By: armadillo joe
Back in the early 80s there was a real cheating ring around when they had the Texas Roadrunner tournaments. There were guys bringing bass from Fla. and a few here were buying them. The ring got broken up and one of the ringleaders was found by a pond in Grand Prairie shot dead.

Wow! what a story. Somebody should write an article about that!


I met with an Editor from Texas Monthly and pitched the Robby Rose story when he got busted a few years back on Lake Ray Hubbard.

I even turned her on to the numerous threads here about him, his "prolific winning" was probably all a faade and he cheated darn near all the time as far as we can tell.

All that just got him a Bum Steer award, there was soo much more to him, got a rather light conviction served time on weekends etc, paid fine, no fishing for a while bla blah blah


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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: JIM SR.] #10476834 12/16/14 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: JIM SR.
I'm not a tournament fisherman, but I do find it ironically funny that officals would determine the outcome of a bass tournament
by giving fishermen a lie detector test.. fish


When money is involved, you best believe cheating goes on. When I lived in central Illinois we used to have a Wednesday Everning Pot tournament in the summer time, and we caught the guy that ran the tournament cheating. He bought a 5 lb fish off a kid who caught it from the bank!!! Now this was a $150 or so tournament.
If you consider a tournament where there is a $5000 guaranteed first prize, you better pay for a polygraph or your tournament won't last long.

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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: Mark Perry] #10477067 12/16/14 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mark Perry
I said it on the other post and I say iy again...its not near as prevalent as its made out to be. Too many guys cannot handle getting beat or accepting someone is better than they are at something so they act like little high school girls and start whispering in the back at weigh ins when a guy or a team starts doing well. They never face the ones they are accusing but take every chance to talk them down and create controversy till it grows into a life of its own.
Funny to me with all this cheating going on per this article that locally where there are hundreds of events per year at all levels we have had 1 guy that was proven to be cheating. One guy in 10-15 years.



I agree with you 100%. They just can't admit that somebody else is doing a better job at catching fish than they are. So they [censored] and moan in the background.

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I said it on the other post and I say iy again...its not near as prevalent as its made out to be. Too many guys cannot handle getting beat or accepting someone is better than they are at something so they act like little high school girls and start whispering in the back at weigh ins when a guy or a team starts doing well. They never face the ones they are accusing but take every chance to talk them down and create controversy till it grows into a life of its own.
Funny to me with all this cheating going on per this article that locally where there are hundreds of events per year at all levels we have had 1 guy that was proven to be cheating. One guy in 10-15 years.



I agree with you 100%. They just can't admit that somebody else is doing a better job at catching fish than they are. So they [censored] and moan in the background.


And yet all the decent money trails still use polygraphs. Wonder why?


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Re: Cheating in Tournaments...Great Read [Re: LoneStar64] #10477393 12/16/14 09:41 PM
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99% of the ones whining just suck and should spend more time practicing instead of typing............

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