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Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: Monsterfishin'] #10233328 08/24/14 12:45 AM
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Thanks for all the input. All of this is the way I was thinking.
Do most non boaters pic up the tournament cost of the boaters?

Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: Monsterfishin'] #10235318 08/25/14 01:20 AM
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I don't fish draw tourneys so I never worry about someone picking up the cost(s).
We split everything up the middle - costs and winnings. With that said, I've got buddies that have been short (for whatever reason) and we still went. They make it up and sometimes I might be a little short so it balances out. With that said, I don't make a habit of fishing tourneys with random folks. I never ask for anything if I'm just going to the lake, odds are that I'm going anyway so another guy in the boat is no big deal.

Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: Lil joe] #10235765 08/25/14 04:48 AM
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It was mentioned already, but there's Taxes involved to the tune of about 35%.. so winning a $30,000 truck or boat, you will end up with a $10,000 tax bill. Obama has to get his cut of the winnings too. smile

I mention this because your half or his half doesn't mean you each get $15,000 ( on a $30K win ).


I won a boat in the mc d's at rayburn. me and my partner vaguely agreed we would split any winnings. well, I never imagined I would win a boat, caught a 3.00. I didn't want the boat because I had just bought a new one. well before we even left the parking lot he had his hand out wanting me to give him $10,000, my 1099 I received said it was worth $19,900 and change. I told him I could not do that and I couldn't give him anything until the boat was sold. He was not happy about it and I had to tell him like it was. This is kin folk, been fishing together since I was about 10 years old, we were pretty close, and all of the sudden he is turning on me over this. Well, I gave in to him by trying to sell the boat for what my 1099 said it was worth. Well, 6 months later and well over $1,000 out of MY POCKET I have not been able to get the boat sold. If I don't sell it by the end of the year, the amount of the 1099 is added to my annual income and the taxes are based off the tax bracket that puts you into. All this time he has done absolutely NOTHING to try and help the cause all this time other than hold his hand out wanting to know when he is gonna get his money. I explained to him that my goal was to sell the boat by the end of the year for whatever I could get because of the tax burden it would put on me. I ended up selling it for $10,000 the week before christmas. Of course, his hand is out immediately wanting $5,000. I explained to him that after my taxes were done I would give him half of what was left after I took out for my expenses to sell the boat, and as you can guess, this is an ugly situation. He said that he doesn't pay taxes so I should not be taking out anything from his half for tax purposes! I ended up profiting about $3,700 out of this and I lost a good friend, so I thought anyway, and fishing partner out of the deal. frown


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Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: Monsterfishin'] #10237161 08/25/14 09:09 PM
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Not at all! 50/50 is the common way. Good reason to discuss this before partnering up.

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Split all expenses 50/50 as well, including tournament entry.

Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: 9094] #10237193 08/25/14 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: 9094
I have won a couple boats in team tournaments. I supplied the boat but we split all actual expenses and we split the sale of the boat 50/50.
There is no way the guy whose boat they fished out of deserves 70%. It is a team deal you chose to fish with the guy, probably a friend too, who owns the boat doesn't matter.
As far as taxes the state of texas only charges sales tax, no where near 35%. If you win a certificate and sale it you by pass those taxes and the person that buys the certificate pays the taxes when he registers and titles the rig. You will pay income taxes on the value of the boat but can write off a loss against it if you sell the boat for less.
Winning a boat is about as exciting as it gets for a weekend warrior don't ruin it by loosing a friend and fishing partner.


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Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: Monsterfishin'] #10237350 08/25/14 10:20 PM
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I find it somewhat amusing that those without boats don't want to consider the cost of boat ownership when considering how to split the costs and winnings of a tournament.

If I invited somebody to go fishing for fun with me I don't expect them to pay for anything for the trip. It's my trip, I want their company, I should be willing to pay for the trip.

If they invite themselves they should be winning to pay for the gas and launch fee since I am paying for the boat they want to use for their fishing.

However fishing a tournament that provides earnings of is a different animal, more of a business than a fun fishing trip among friends. If earnings are to be split 50-50, then all costs related to fishing the tournament should be split 50-50.

Part of the cost of fishing a tournament is the cost of the boat and the vehicle to get the boat to the water. One of the partners must own a boat in order for them to fish the tournament and should be reimbursed for the use of that boat and vehicle for that tournament.

The perfect way to do this is to alternate the equipment used for each tournament, however both partners own a boat to do this.

But if one partner does not own a boat then the partner without a boat should receive a smaller percentage of earnings since he has less money in the tournament, even if they split all tournament related expenses 50-50. Or there should be an agreed upon rental rate for the boat and vehicle for that day.

And that agreed upon rate should be paid for every tournament by the partner without a boat, regardless of whether the partners win anything in the tournament or not.

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I've fished a couple of tournaments with friends over the years, but not enough to speak of. Given my limited experience, here's how I see it playing out for me and my boat. My partner and myself would split all costs of tournament fishing 50/50. Any "Profit" from winnings would get split 50/50. A big prize like a boat, I could see where people's minds could go nuts at the prospect, but ultimately, it should be viewed as "winnings" to both parties, and should never become a source of conflict. If one of the party wanted the boat, it's up to that person to buy the other out of their portion of the profit they stood to gain after any fees/taxes/etc are satisfied. In the end, the person not keeping the boat should not be out one penny they otherwise would have gained from outright selling the prize.

Cash payouts are easy, if a large prize such as a boat is offered, then some talking needs to take place before the tournament starts. There should be no gray area.


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In tournaments and other giveaways with vehicular prizes, is there not an option to get the money instead?


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Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: ezgoing] #10238762 08/26/14 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: ezgoing
I find it somewhat amusing that those without boats don't want to consider the cost of boat ownership when considering how to split the costs and winnings of a tournament.

If I invited somebody to go fishing for fun with me I don't expect them to pay for anything for the trip. It's my trip, I want their company, I should be willing to pay for the trip.

If they invite themselves they should be winning to pay for the gas and launch fee since I am paying for the boat they want to use for their fishing.

However fishing a tournament that provides earnings of is a different animal, more of a business than a fun fishing trip among friends. If earnings are to be split 50-50, then all costs related to fishing the tournament should be split 50-50.

Part of the cost of fishing a tournament is the cost of the boat and the vehicle to get the boat to the water. One of the partners must own a boat in order for them to fish the tournament and should be reimbursed for the use of that boat and vehicle for that tournament.

The perfect way to do this is to alternate the equipment used for each tournament, however both partners own a boat to do this.

But if one partner does not own a boat then the partner without a boat should receive a smaller percentage of earnings since he has less money in the tournament, even if they split all tournament related expenses 50-50. Or there should be an agreed upon rental rate for the boat and vehicle for that day.

And that agreed upon rate should be paid for every tournament by the partner without a boat, regardless of whether the partners win anything in the tournament or not.




So do you keep a higher percentage of cash if you and your partner win 200.00? What is the difference really, just a bigger dollar amount. Is there an amount of money you could win that would be worth loosing a good friend over? If so you should fish alone because on any given day anyone could win a big prize and loose something more precious than money, friendship.
Greed never produces a positive result in a "team" event.


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Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: Monsterfishin'] #10240293 08/26/14 11:46 PM
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Im glad I posted this topic. I've wondered for awhile how everybody else was handling the tournament cost and winnings.
Thanks, again guys.


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Re: Splitting Tournament Winnings Question [Re: 9094] #10241469 08/27/14 02:31 PM
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I find it somewhat amusing that those without boats don't want to consider the cost of boat ownership when considering how to split the costs and winnings of a tournament.

If I invited somebody to go fishing for fun with me I don't expect them to pay for anything for the trip. It's my trip, I want their company, I should be willing to pay for the trip.

If they invite themselves they should be winning to pay for the gas and launch fee since I am paying for the boat they want to use for their fishing.

However fishing a tournament that provides earnings of is a different animal, more of a business than a fun fishing trip among friends. If earnings are to be split 50-50, then all costs related to fishing the tournament should be split 50-50.

Part of the cost of fishing a tournament is the cost of the boat and the vehicle to get the boat to the water. One of the partners must own a boat in order for them to fish the tournament and should be reimbursed for the use of that boat and vehicle for that tournament.

The perfect way to do this is to alternate the equipment used for each tournament, however both partners own a boat to do this.

But if one partner does not own a boat then the partner without a boat should receive a smaller percentage of earnings since he has less money in the tournament, even if they split all tournament related expenses 50-50. Or there should be an agreed upon rental rate for the boat and vehicle for that day.

And that agreed upon rate should be paid for every tournament by the partner without a boat, regardless of whether the partners win anything in the tournament or not.




So do you keep a higher percentage of cash if you and your partner win 200.00? What is the difference really, just a bigger dollar amount. Is there an amount of money you could win that would be worth loosing a good friend over? If so you should fish alone because on any given day anyone could win a big prize and loose something more precious than money, friendship.
Greed never produces a positive result in a "team" event.


Are you talking about the greed of the non-boat owner partner wanting the boat owner to bear all the costs of boat ownership and getting the boat to the lake?

Friendship works both directions. A non-boat owner who does not want to share the costs of the boat used to fish the tournaments isn't much of a friend but is somebody who wants to take advantage of his fishing partner.

The ideal solution is both partners own a boat and take turns using their boats in the tournaments. But if one partner doesn't want the expense of owning a boat that partner should be willing to share the expenses of owning the boat that allows him/her to fish the tournaments.

I'm not talking about somebody that you invite to go fishing with you. As far as I am concerned, if you invite them you should bear all the expenses.

But somebody who fishes on a regular basis in tournaments using your boat or who invites themselves to fish with you on a regular basis should be willing to bear part of the costs of boat ownership if they are a true friend and not just a user who freeloads off friends.

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I do not own a boat but fish tourneys with friends and non-friends often. I've always split everything down the middle or paid the entry fee. Lots of times if I pay the entry fee my partner doesn't worry about gas or anything else. We've won up to $5k and always split it up the middle on the spot.

We've always pre-communicated before the tourney started if a boat/truck/larger prize was involved and made a plan in case we won. Just because you are friends or family doesn't mean the almighty dollar wont get in the way. Always plan and communicate.

IMO if you are fishing with some random person and the prize package includes a boat or truck....you probably wont be winning anyways...just a thought.

Hope all gets worked out between you and your partner.

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the winnings are always split 50/50 no matter the prize. my partner usually pitches in on gas if its any sizeable winnings and we did alot of running. if my partner paid entry fees then that is enough. never asked for a dime, it has always been givin out of consideration and i do the same when in someone else's boat. its my choice to own a boat so i expect all the expenses of ownership to be paid by me, if my partner was paying some of them then he would have a stake hold in my boat.

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I was talking about greed period. I still say if you choose to fish with the guy either way in a Team event it should be split even. If you choose me and I don't own a boat you probably chose me because I can catch the carp out of fish, especially if you are as serious as you make out to be.if not it's because we are buds.
One big difference is I only will fish with a friend and I chose him so he shouldn't be charged extra for not owning a boat. I don't know any non boat owners that ask a guy to fish a team event because he owns a boat.
I imagine keeping a partner very long is tough that way. What if you own the boat but he strokes you in all the tourneys and you earn money just being a netman? He doesn't own the boat but catches the majority of the fish.
Usually in team sports the guy that brings the ball doesn't get paid as much as they guy that scores the most points.

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