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 Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 03:09 AM
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Cypress Springs hasn't had a stocking in yeeeaaars... they concluded there is not enough habitat to protect the fingerlings. It will if they don't put anymore grass eating machines in there!!!!!!
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 03:34 AM
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My hope is they will stock native bass instead of the Florida strain.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 01:47 PM
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Seems like the same issues all over the state. The "less popular" lakes get the grass sprayed and grass carp to clear the grass, then TP&W says not enough habitat to stock. But the popular lakes get the stocking.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 01:57 PM
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I have a question about the productivity of the stocking program. Do you thing our lakes have too many different species of fish, especially the rough fish that are eating the eggs and fingerlings, to get ahead of the game?
It seems to me a removal program would be productive. Lakes like Falcon, Amistad and the Mexico lakes are netted which removes a majority of these fish. These lakes grow bigger bass and when the conditions are right the catching is just unbelievable.
I understand there are many other factors involved in making a great fishery; but should we be concerned that the program is just feeding the fish? Are we taking one step forward and two steps back? Isn't a forage stocking program just as important? Much of the research on this topic concludes that supplemental sportfish stocking does not contribute much if anything to harvest-sized sportfish. However, supplemental stocking is useful when there is year class failure (a failed spawning season) or when the impoundment is new. Many state agency programs are based on public opinion rather than science. You're correct that a removal program would probably improve average size of fish in almost every lake in the state. But, could you imagine the flame war that would start if TPWD told everyone that they were going to stop stocking as much and actually start taking substantial amounts fish from the lakes every year?
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 02:18 PM
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I guess so; because there are fisherman that target almost every species in every lake. The other species like Crappie eat just as many as the rough fish.
I would imagine that is why the private waters put out the extra effort and money to make sure the eggs and fingerlings have every chance to survive.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 02:23 PM
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What exactly is the difference between 'fry' and 'fingerlings' ??? I know it's size but, whats the difference? 
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 02:41 PM
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Size is it. Fry are newly hatched and comes from the fish that are spawning in the lake or hatchery. Fingerlings are more matured and have a little better chance of surviving. I would thing fingerlings to be a popular size to purchase for a stocking program.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 02:49 PM
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Why don't they just set up fish farms like we have for trout in CO, and stock bigger fish?
It seems WAY smarter to stock bass at around 12 inches than it does to throw a bunch of baitfish sized bass in a lake full of predatory fish that are waiting for a bite to eat.
I know it is apples and oranges, but it just seems like a huge waste of money to put all of those tiny fish in a lake and pray they find some grass to hide in for like 2-3 years. If they stocked bass that were in the same size range as the "stocker" trout, it would surely improve mortality rates, and give people something to fish for immediately instead of hoping everything works out years down the road.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 02:52 PM
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Makes perfect sense to me but, they have their own policies and who knows what they are and why? Your spot on about supply a great deal of food for the other fish!  Why don't they just set up fish farms like we have for trout in CO, and stock bigger fish?
It seems WAY smarter to stock bass at around 12 inches than it does to throw a bunch of baitfish sized bass in a lake full of predatory fish that are waiting for a bite to eat.
I know it is apples and oranges, but it just seems like a huge waste of money to put all of those tiny fish in a lake and pray they find some grass to hide in for like 2-3 years. If they stocked bass that were in the same size range as the "stocker" trout, it would surely improve mortality rates, and give people something to fish for immediately instead of hoping everything works out years down the road.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 02:53 PM
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Why don't they just set up fish farms like we have for trout in CO, and stock bigger fish?
It seems WAY smarter to stock bass at around 12 inches than it does to throw a bunch of baitfish sized bass in a lake full of predatory fish that are waiting for a bite to eat.
I know it is apples and oranges, but it just seems like a huge waste of money to put all of those tiny fish in a lake and pray they find some grass to hide in for like 2-3 years. If they stocked bass that were in the same size range as the "stocker" trout, it would surely improve mortality rates, and give people something to fish for immediately instead of hoping everything works out years down the road. Considering Texas has arguably the best overall bass fishing in the country I think TP&W probably are pretty good at what they do. I hope they continue their good work and not try and be like any other state. TP&W is one of the best wildlife departments in the country. The number of lakes here compared to Colorado is staggering. I do think they actually do stock brood stock and bigger sized stock at times as well.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 02:53 PM
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It all boils down to money. It costs more to raise fish to 12" than it does to stock them as fry. Imagine the difference between 15,000 fry and 15,000 twelve inch fish. Fifteen thousand fry in a five gallon bucket and 15,000 twelve inch fish in several trucks.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 03:31 PM
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If TPW raised them to 12" long TPW would not have to put 15,000 fish into the lake. They could probably put half of that or less and still come out ahead. I bet the number of fry that actually survive to be 12" is no where near half of 15000. I'm going to say probably around 2000 to 3000. TPW does a good job, but their is alway room for improvement.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 03:32 PM
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I am sure they could find individuals willing to take care of the bass in there ponds and lakes to help raise them to a 12" size at no charge. I would if I had the land. Then they could come and get them.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
[Re: Lee in Texas]
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08/04/14 03:37 PM
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TP&W says it would take $7 to raise a channel catfish to 10". I'm sure it is about the same for bass.You have to remember, anything the state does is at least twice the cost for an individual.
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Re: TPWD Stocking of LM Florida Strain Bass and Lakes ?
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08/04/14 07:25 PM
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