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 Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: Lou r Pitcher]
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07/28/14 02:58 AM
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Bob Landry
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Brightness is easily measured in lumens Here is a small portion of the written requirements that most posters "think" they fully understand about their added lights with 2 mile visability... Intensity of lights.
(a) The minimum luminous intensity of lights will be calculated by using the formula:
I=3.43 10 6power T D 2power K -1Dpower
Where
I: Luminous intensity in candelas under service conditions,
T: Threshold factor 2 10 -7power lux,
D: Range of visibility (luminous range) of the light in nautical miles,
K: Atmospheric transmissivity. For prescribed lights the value of K will be 0.8, corresponding to a meteorological visibility of approximately 13 nautical miles.
You can turn this into a rocket science discussion if you like, but I think we can all agree that the navigational lights on the market have met all of the parameters of your calculations and are manufactured to meet the requirements of both luminosity and angle of sight and that if these off the shelf lights are correctly installed, all of the visibility requirements will be met. We can also agree that the rub rail lights are not going to meet these requirements and that has been the point of this discussion. BTW, you are in no position to determine my level of knowledge of ColRegs, nor am I under any requirement to elaborate that to you. Have a nice day.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: Bob Landry]
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07/28/14 04:04 AM
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Lou r Pitcher
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You can turn this into a rocket science discussion if you like, but I think we can all agree that the navigational lights on the market have met all of the parameters of your calculations ...
These are all quotes directly taken from the USCG regulations...not my 'calculations' or my 'rocket science'. The led rub rail led light strips typically being used after being installed by most all individuals and local installers would easily fail these and several other USCG vessel lighting requirements if they were actually tested in one of the approved USCG approved testing labs. The certified approved lights for 'replacement' of existing registered NAV lighting fixtures that are instead purchased to be re-located by a boat owner or marine light saleman on a boat where "they determine" may not fully meet the requirements either unless the lights were mounted correctly such as in predrilled positions made by the boat manufacturer. Some boaters can use home installed lights wherever on their boat they choose.....but the boat owners wishing to comply with their boat's regs and safety features should just be 1st informed and aware of their non-compliance.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: josez]
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07/28/14 01:36 PM
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Alright guys let me put it plain there is no way possible to install rub rail strips that will meet the angle requirements for those lights. Example go look at the new Rangers and how they have the lights mounted to the side and look at the the fixture the lights are mounted in that fixture is what makes the light to be seen at the angled requirements and no more basically it makes it were you cant see the lights until you are at a certain angle approaching that vessel as to not get confused on which way it is going. The led strips do not do this you can see them at dang near any angle you approach that is were they are not legal. Go ahead and run them and get in a fatality accident at night and see what happens when they see you was not running approved lightning you dang sure wont be arguing on here about it you will be in prison but hey don't take my word for it hell I just work on the water for a living and know the regulations like the back of my hand what do I know.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: josez]
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07/28/14 03:28 PM
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lamoon78
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Your missing were he says properly mounted that's were the angles come into play there is no way to mount rub rail lights that meet the requirements that's what Im trying to tell you guys. Do it its yalls boats but hope you don't have a incident with fatality at night or were there will be a investigation because you will loose because of that but like I said what do I know Im required by federal law to know this and everyday joe fishermen and boaters are not so take it for what its worth. The whole purpose is to not confuse a approaching vessel of your direction that's why lights have these degree from which they can be seen from.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: josez]
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07/28/14 03:54 PM
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I understand, and agree with, the running lights needing to be correct, and the only thing on while under way.
But are they targeting people with alternate forms of lighting while not under way/at anchor?
I have green LED's strips from the bow to stern on both sides of my boat, and red strips from bow to stern on the inside. I never run them while under way due to legalities, but more-so because of not being able to see as well myself. But was wondering if I'm open to getting hassled by using them at anchor?
I know it doesn't necessarily make it right or legal, but I see people on the water at night all the time with various light set-ups. White lights on the front, led strips in various places, lights clamped to the side shining in on the water, massive floods all over for bow fishing, just about everything you can imagine and then some. I've seen too many boats under way that are improperly lit to even mention, but I wonder how these are viewed, from a legal standpoint, when at anchor? I swore one night that there was a car coming at me across cedar creek lake, turned out to be a pontoon with clear lights on the front of the boat (definitely not legal).
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: psycho0819]
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07/28/14 10:14 PM
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Bob Landry
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I understand, and agree with, the running lights needing to be correct, and the only thing on while under way.
But are they targeting people with alternate forms of lighting while not under way/at anchor?
I have green LED's strips from the bow to stern on both sides of my boat, and red strips from bow to stern on the inside. I never run them while under way due to legalities, but more-so because of not being able to see as well myself. But was wondering if I'm open to getting hassled by using them at anchor?
I know it doesn't necessarily make it right or legal, but I see people on the water at night all the time with various light set-ups. White lights on the front, led strips in various places, lights clamped to the side shining in on the water, massive floods all over for bow fishing, just about everything you can imagine and then some. I've seen too many boats under way that are improperly lit to even mention, but I wonder how these are viewed, from a legal standpoint, when at anchor? I swore one night that there was a car coming at me across cedar creek lake, turned out to be a pontoon with clear lights on the front of the boat (definitely not legal). The at anchor condition is a good point and it hasn't been mentioned before now. When anchored, all that is shown is a 360 white light. IMHO lights hung over the side for fish attractors are just that and it should be obvious to even the most zealous APD cop that is being used for fishing. As far as LED stings being used at anchor, I think it would cause the same confusion as when used under way. If I come up on a boat and see a 360 white light, I assume he is anchored and give wide bert. If I were to see a red or green light of any type, I would assume he was under way and then I would determine by the color which way he was going and who has the right of way. I agree with lamoon.. I don't see the LED string lights being legal under any operating conditions and hope that they never are
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: josez]
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07/28/14 11:09 PM
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lamoon78
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I see some of those being a issue as well but as long as your anchor light can be plainly seen without any interference from those fishing lights you should be good.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: josez]
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07/28/14 11:17 PM
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lamoon78
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Another problem I see with night fisherman and tournament guys is before daylight and your fishing by trolling motor or drifting you are considered underway and need the red and green lights on I see this alot were guys only have the anchor light on that is not legal. Anchor is tied or moored to something and not moving. So at night and early hour before daylight and your on your trolling motor you need to have both sets of lights on.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
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08/02/14 03:06 PM
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What is wrong with the factory installed lights?
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
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08/03/14 02:12 PM
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Bob Landry
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What is wrong with the factory installed lights? I was wondering the same thing. It's like buying a $60K truck and then hanging fuzzy dice from the rear view mirror.
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
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08/03/14 03:08 PM
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I purchased and installed the Taco Marine rub rail lights, in their spec sheet they state the lights are ABYC/USCG tested and approved. I have kept my factory plug in nav bow light intact just in case. I took care in following the taco marine rub rail lights installation. See this link for their claim, http://tacomarine.wordpress.com/2014/06/...n-the-rub-rail/
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
[Re: josez]
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08/04/14 08:31 PM
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Re: led nav lights warning police lake austin
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08/05/14 03:52 AM
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BlueTuna
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I use the new rub rail LEDs, I just left the original bow light socket wired up and will use it as my backup plan.
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