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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Douglas J] #10086643 06/24/14 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
I tie 1 knot 99% of time and I have never known it to actually fail.

Sounds like you did not get the tag end through the correct loop and off into the wild blue yonder your bait went.



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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10086804 06/24/14 03:36 PM
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The improved clinch is very easy to tie correctly (in the dark) been tying it for 50+ years. Over the years I have tried pretty much every knot there is and still find myself coming back to the IC. When testing knots on a line test fixture, we found that it was the most consistent knot we could tie. The Palomar was usually stronger breaking at 90-95% of the line rating then one would occasionally give away at far less. The IC broke around 85%, every time. I think the difference is that in cinching down the Palomar, we would occasionally get the 2 strands that go around the hook eye crossed. That's not the fault of the Palomar but the person tying it. When testing, I could tie the IC without looking, even with eyes closed and it was absolutely consistent. In my world consistency is king. Although I don't use it, I find the San Diego Jam equally as easy to tie and to be extremely consistent. If I'd been using it 50 years as I have the IC, I'd feel comfortable using it at night, without ever looking at it. For braid the IC was a miserable failure, it would slip regardless of the number of wraps. Super glue helped somewhat but the results were not consistent. I use the Palomar exclusively for braid.


Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10087946 06/24/14 11:57 PM
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That's the only knot I use and always have. I have a hard time breaking the knot. Give it another shot, Lee. It's a great knot!

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10087970 06/25/14 12:05 AM
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Works fine for me

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10087973 06/25/14 12:06 AM
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I had the same thing happen to me with a crank bait once. I think mine somehow worked it's way through the split ring.
I went to Palomar on the hard baits after that but i don't think the IC Knot failed. it could have also been I missed a loop.


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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10088023 06/25/14 12:32 AM
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IC is the only knot I use except for braid.

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10088036 06/25/14 12:36 AM
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LOL, ok, GOT IT! I screwed it up but, in any case going back to palomar knot.
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10096600 06/27/14 10:02 PM
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10096868 06/28/14 12:25 AM
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Wouldn't use the Clinch knot improved or not for nothing. San Diego Jam for hard baits and Palomar for jigs, T-Rig, or weightless.

Lee when are you going go fishing and post up some fish pics Sir! stir

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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10096878 06/28/14 12:30 AM
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But, I haven't caught a 'picture' yet to post.... frkazoid
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10097128 06/28/14 02:19 AM
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Well, I've been reading this and I've watched EVERY knot tied on that knot tying website and I think I've discovered something interesting. I think I tie a knot that may not have a name?? I don't even know who taught it to me. I have tied dozens of knots in my years of fishing. I spent most of my life with the palamar and the improved clinch........but when I got serious about fishing and started fishing more fluorocarbon, I found that I must stink at tying a palamar slowly or wetly enough to consistently be reliable. WAYYYY too many break offs at the knot when setting the hook on a fish within 20 feet of the boat. Probably my fault, but just ticked me off. And I wet the [censored] out of the line and pull tight slowly EVERY time. But, I stink at it clearly!!

Sooooooooooo.............100 years ago or so, I went to a knot that I'd show you, but I'm too dumb to video or photo and post. So, here's a bubba's attempt to explain. I'm curious if you guys think this knot has a name. Cuz, I can't find it anywhere. Here goes.....

I take the tag end through the eye. Bring it back up, and pinch the tag end with the tip of my forefinger and thumb, leaving like 12 inches of tag end line hanging loose. I have the main line also pinched near the bend of my thumb to hold it in place. But the bend of the tag end is near my finger and thumb tips, about to form a loop in a second. Now, I have the bait hanging 5 inches or so below. I take my right hand on the tag end end and spin the bait and make 8-9 loops around the doubled line just above the bait, in between the bait and my fingers holding the line. This forms a little loop at my fingertips with the tag end portion above the looping. After 9 loops, I run the tag end through that little loop at the top, THEN through the longer loop that I just formed by running the tag end from the last of the 9 loops around the double line up to the top loop in my fingertips. So, up and through that top loop, then reach a right hand pointer finger over and bend that tag end down and push back to my palm and through the loop that just ran up alongside all 9 "wraps".

I don't know if this knot has a name. But if there are millionaire people on here that fish and everybody reading this all try it and agree it's never been tried before and now ALL agree it's the best and most efficient, easiest to tie, and strongest knot EVER....like I think..............AND it's a new tournament winning, make you better looking, tougher, and richer kinda person..............I'd like the knot to be called the "Yancey Knot" and I'd like the royalty checks to be sent towards St. Louis!!!

In reality, I'm sure it's a regular knot, but I'd like to know the name of it, so I can stop telling my friends it's called the "stupid knot I tie that never fails and I can't remember who taught me knot".

Tight lines all!!!!
Yancey

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10097252 06/28/14 03:08 AM
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Yancey] #10097262 06/28/14 03:11 AM
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That's the Yancey knot. Post a YouTube video showing how it's done.

Originally Posted By: Yancey
Well, I've been reading this and I've watched EVERY knot tied on that knot tying website and I think I've discovered something interesting. I think I tie a knot that may not have a name?? I don't even know who taught it to me. I have tied dozens of knots in my years of fishing. I spent most of my life with the palamar and the improved clinch........but when I got serious about fishing and started fishing more fluorocarbon, I found that I must stink at tying a palamar slowly or wetly enough to consistently be reliable. WAYYYY too many break offs at the knot when setting the hook on a fish within 20 feet of the boat. Probably my fault, but just ticked me off. And I wet the [censored] out of the line and pull tight slowly EVERY time. But, I stink at it clearly!!

Sooooooooooo.............100 years ago or so, I went to a knot that I'd show you, but I'm too dumb to video or photo and post. So, here's a bubba's attempt to explain. I'm curious if you guys think this knot has a name. Cuz, I can't find it anywhere. Here goes.....

I take the tag end through the eye. Bring it back up, and pinch the tag end with the tip of my forefinger and thumb, leaving like 12 inches of tag end line hanging loose. I have the main line also pinched near the bend of my thumb to hold it in place. But the bend of the tag end is near my finger and thumb tips, about to form a loop in a second. Now, I have the bait hanging 5 inches or so below. I take my right hand on the tag end end and spin the bait and make 8-9 loops around the doubled line just above the bait, in between the bait and my fingers holding the line. This forms a little loop at my fingertips with the tag end portion above the looping. After 9 loops, I run the tag end through that little loop at the top, THEN through the longer loop that I just formed by running the tag end from the last of the 9 loops around the double line up to the top loop in my fingertips. So, up and through that top loop, then reach a right hand pointer finger over and bend that tag end down and push back to my palm and through the loop that just ran up alongside all 9 "wraps".

I don't know if this knot has a name. But if there are millionaire people on here that fish and everybody reading this all try it and agree it's never been tried before and now ALL agree it's the best and most efficient, easiest to tie, and strongest knot EVER....like I think..............AND it's a new tournament winning, make you better looking, tougher, and richer kinda person..............I'd like the knot to be called the "Yancey Knot" and I'd like the royalty checks to be sent towards St. Louis!!!

In reality, I'm sure it's a regular knot, but I'd like to know the name of it, so I can stop telling my friends it's called the "stupid knot I tie that never fails and I can't remember who taught me knot".

Tight lines all!!!!
Yancey

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10097267 06/28/14 03:13 AM
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If that's for me..............thanks........but not it. I take the tag end through a loop that doesn't exist in this picture...............cuz it's at the to when you loop from top to bottom, towards the hook, and THEN through the side longer loop that's in the bottom picture by the "A". It's like an upside down I.C.

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10097285 06/28/14 03:27 AM
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I was just showing how the clinch knot it's tied wasn't meant towards you.

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