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Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 02:54 AM
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Mark Perry
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To the point I think that if they were to try it across the board it would not be accepted simply because of the way some guys need physical proof to admit they got beat. There are already so many rumors getting started when someone does well more than a time or two in weigh in events much less the weigh 'em and let 'em go format. Might work at the club level and maybe even a small local trail but I seriously have doubts it will ever be widely accepted. Having an observer or expensive cameras in the boat will be a logistical nightmare also. I just think the trail numbers would sug=ffer big time. I also think the weigh in probably plays to the egos we all have no matter how much we deny we do. its human nature to want to be complimented on a great effort and a winning sack. Only way I see it happening wide scale is if the state mandated that is how it had to be done.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 02:58 AM
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One of the things I did not like about it was the chance that the same fish could have been part of the same bag more than once.
Not that it is a big deal but just the chance of it, I don't like.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:00 AM
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One of the things I did not like about it was the chance that the same fish could have been part of the same bag more than once.
Not that it is about deal but just the chance of it, I don't like. This is true!
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:01 AM
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One of the things I did not like about it was the chance that the same fish could have been part of the same bag more than once.
Not that it is about deal but just the chance of it, I don't like. Good point and even more relevant during the spawn. I like most things about the format but I am just looking at it realistically.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:02 AM
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What about doing this style tournament and require that anglers have every catch and release recorded(like on a go pro) and the winners have their film reviewed to confirm their results? I know it would take a long time to confirm all of the film but it is an idea?
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:06 AM
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What about doing this style tournament and require that anglers have every catch and release recorded(like on a go pro) and the winners have their film reviewed to confirm their results? I know it would take a long time to confirm all of the film but it is an idea? guys bitch about a $30 membership fee now, you think all will drop $300-400 to buy a camera to fish a trail? What if it malfunctions or what if you get a fish out of its view? You just turn back your catch and say oh well? Imagine someone sitting through 2000hrs of footage just to score a Bass Champs event. Who is gonna pay someone for their time. Do you just hand over your memory card or camera at the end of the day until its reviewed? Way too many logistics to work.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
[Re: Mark Perry]
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06/23/14 03:10 AM
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I like the old ways, gentlemen's agreement and a random polygraph 2nd through 5th.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:16 AM
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Ridintriton
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What about doing this style tournament and require that anglers have every catch and release recorded(like on a go pro) and the winners have their film reviewed to confirm their results? I know it would take a long time to confirm all of the film but it is an idea? guys bitch about a $30 membership fee now, you think all will drop $300-400 to buy a camera to fish a trail? What if it malfunctions or what if you get a fish out of its view? You just turn back your catch and say oh well? Imagine someone sitting through 2000hrs of footage just to score a Bass Champs event. Who is gonna pay someone for their time. Do you just hand over your memory card or camera at the end of the day until its reviewed? Way too many logistics to work. I agree that the way it is now that would be difficult to confirm that way. What about simply poly graphing the people who are in the money? I don't agree with a random testing in this case though. I think if a tournament is going strictly by a fisherman's word(which is about the most unreliable thing known to man) then everyone in the money should be polygraphed. I know that many small clubs don't have someone trained to read a polygraph, but this is another possibility to be able to do this format. The only other thing I can think of is if every team had a volunteer to be a Marshall, and the Marshall's were randomly assigned to teams so as to not have the Marshall be assigned to the team that brought them( causing people to doubt their word). As with the other 2 ideas, this is a bit unrealistic expecting everyone to be able to find someone willing to sit in a boat all day with a stranger for free. All 3 of these ideas seem unrealistic, but the only 3 possibilities I see for being able to have a tournament in this format and not have speculation of cheating is 1. Every catch on camera 2. Polygraphs 3. Marshals I don't see any other way you could do it
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:17 AM
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Mark Perry
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What about doing this style tournament and require that anglers have every catch and release recorded(like on a go pro) and the winners have their film reviewed to confirm their results? I know it would take a long time to confirm all of the film but it is an idea? guys bitch about a $30 membership fee now, you think all will drop $300-400 to buy a camera to fish a trail? What if it malfunctions or what if you get a fish out of its view? You just turn back your catch and say oh well? Imagine someone sitting through 2000hrs of footage just to score a Bass Champs event. Who is gonna pay someone for their time. Do you just hand over your memory card or camera at the end of the day until its reviewed? Way too many logistics to work. I agree that the way it is now that would be difficult to confirm that way. What about simply poly graphing the people who are in the money? I don't agree with a random testing in this case though. I think if a tournament is going strictly by a fisherman's word(which is about the most unreliable thing known to man) then everyone in the money should be polygraphed. I know that many small clubs don't have someone trained to read a polygraph, but this is another possibility to be able to do this format. The only other thing I can think of is if every team had a volunteer to be a Marshall, and the Marshall's were randomly assigned to teams so as to not have the Marshall be assigned to the team that brought them( causing people to doubt their word). As with the other 2 ideas, this is a bit unrealistic expecting everyone to be able to find someone willing to sit in a boat all day with a stranger for free. All 3 of these ideas seem unrealistic, but the only 3 possibilities I see for being able to have a tournament in this format and not have speculation of cheating is 1. Every catch on camera 2. Polygraphs 3. Marshals I don't see any other way you could do it You just nailed why it will not catch on unless its mandated by the state.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:18 AM
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I like the old ways, gentlemen's agreement and a random polygraph 2nd through 5th. How many peoples word do you trust in this day and age when money is involved. I'll be the first to tell you that there are probably a handful of people in the whole world that I trust like that.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:22 AM
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If you are going to sign an entry, cheat, and end up in the top 5 expect to be polygraphed! Cheap and efficient.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:22 AM
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One of the things I did not like about it was the chance that the same fish could have been part of the same bag more than once.
Not that it is about deal but just the chance of it, I don't like. Good point and even more relevant during the spawn. I like most things about the format but I am just looking at it realistically. I know at the TTBC they were only able to catch a bed fish once a day. They could have come back the following day and caught it again if it was still there though.
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
[Re: Mark Perry]
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06/23/14 03:27 AM
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Ridintriton
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What about doing this style tournament and require that anglers have every catch and release recorded(like on a go pro) and the winners have their film reviewed to confirm their results? I know it would take a long time to confirm all of the film but it is an idea? guys bitch about a $30 membership fee now, you think all will drop $300-400 to buy a camera to fish a trail? What if it malfunctions or what if you get a fish out of its view? You just turn back your catch and say oh well? Imagine someone sitting through 2000hrs of footage just to score a Bass Champs event. Who is gonna pay someone for their time. Do you just hand over your memory card or camera at the end of the day until its reviewed? Way too many logistics to work. I agree that the way it is now that would be difficult to confirm that way. What about simply poly graphing the people who are in the money? I don't agree with a random testing in this case though. I think if a tournament is going strictly by a fisherman's word(which is about the most unreliable thing known to man) then everyone in the money should be polygraphed. I know that many small clubs don't have someone trained to read a polygraph, but this is another possibility to be able to do this format. The only other thing I can think of is if every team had a volunteer to be a Marshall, and the Marshall's were randomly assigned to teams so as to not have the Marshall be assigned to the team that brought them( causing people to doubt their word). As with the other 2 ideas, this is a bit unrealistic expecting everyone to be able to find someone willing to sit in a boat all day with a stranger for free. All 3 of these ideas seem unrealistic, but the only 3 possibilities I see for being able to have a tournament in this format and not have speculation of cheating is 1. Every catch on camera 2. Polygraphs 3. Marshals I don't see any other way you could do it You just nailed why it will not catch on unless its mandated by the state. We'll of these 3 I think polygraphing seems to be the most practical by a long shot. But even then, and angler could be honest and report a weight that his unreliable hand scale misweighed. I have an accucull which is known to be one of the most reliable hand scales on the market and I weighed the same fish on it 3 times in a tournament this year and it read 6.5, then took it to the scales and it was 10.5. Same thing happened last week in a tournament I weighed one that showed 3.5 and it turned out to be almost 5. Most times, a 5 fish limit will be within .1 lbs of the weight on the tournament scales on this accucull, but what about the times it isn't? I like the element of weighing every bag on the same scale in a traditional setting, whereas in a mlf format, even if it is the same exact model of scale in every boat,they are all a different one. This would be an issue with any of these 3 ideas mentioned. Personally, I really just don't see any way that I would wager any serious money in one of these tournaments just based on all of the room for error and dishonesty
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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06/23/14 03:28 AM
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Ridintriton
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If you are going to sign an entry, cheat, and end up in the top 5 expect to be polygraphed! Cheap and efficient. I agree but I say don't make it random. Everyone in the money gets poly graphed every time. I think all tournaments should be that way
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Re: Why I don't think formats like TTBC/MLF will catch on in tournament fishing
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If you are going to sign an entry, cheat, and end up in the top 5 expect to be polygraphed! Cheap and efficient. I agree but I say don't make it random. Everyone in the money gets poly graphed every time. I think all tournaments should be that way Lets say they paid 10 spots. That means 10 teams take a poly. It takes long enough to poly one team right now. It would be 8pm before places and checks were announced. Let alone the tournament pay back would suck if they polygraph that many teams.
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