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Discussion on TBend's future
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04/11/16 01:42 PM
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RayBob
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Wondering what the TFF thinks. I think about a crash, or at least a slow slide could happen. Never seen the number of boats I have been seeing on The Bend. Now, I fish Rayburn more and am use to boat traffic and the Bend is rivaling it.
TBend is bigger but I expect the same results as what happened to Falcon with the publicity gained thru written electronic media. Once the Elites went there and smashed records Falcon has not been the same. The Bend will get hammered and big fish will get much more scarce, numbers will go down, and fishing will get tougher overall.
Pressure, spurred on by our favorite rag, Bassmaster Magazine, and other publicity such as the net will impact quality and quantity fishing.
Factors that could buffer The Bend: --- TB's immense size and varied structure/cover
--- Watershed fertility supporting forage species
--- Mercury warnings on fish consumption may lead to more catch and release
Things that increase chance of decline:
--- Publicity of the lake is at an all time high now
--- TB is much more accessible to population centers and the nation as a whole
--- There is a "meat mentality" especially from the eastern shore
--- Probably more tourney pressure now (which displaces fish and increases mortality in hot East Texas summers)
--- With increased overall pressure you'll see increased pressure on bedding fish which might affect spawning some
I am no "expert" for sure. I do see the decline on Falcon, especially lunker fish. Just wondering about this reservoir which I have fished since the 1970's. Will TB follow the Falcon model? You might even say Amistad suffered some from the B.M. publicity prior to Falcon. Thoughts?
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 02:10 PM
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Jpurdue
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I suspect you are correct. I'd also add to your list the fact several other popular lakes like Fork are fishing very poorly, which shifts additional pressure to T-Bend. The size of the lake only offers so much protection. Sturgeon bay is vast and the same thing happened there after it was named the number one lake. The high water this year will help, but I doubt it'll offset the pressure. All that said, I don't think there is anything that can be done about it. Man is now part of when and how lakes cycle.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 02:10 PM
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Jimfishes
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I have been fishing Toledo since the 1970s also and agree that we will probably see a decline in the near future. But lakes typically go through cycles and I think Toledo will withstand the pressure better than most due to it's size and depths...(wishful thinking).
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 02:19 PM
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pil,b
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Those cajuns eat any thing that swims, it happened at Amistad. I watched people cleaning numerous 5-7 lb blacks for years.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 02:25 PM
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I think TB will be fine. But i also believe it will cycle as all lakes do. To me bait fish populations is the key.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 02:27 PM
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WillieKetchum
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I do see a decline coming for Toledo, but I don't think it'll be comparable to Falcon. There are no gill nets in Toledo.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: pil,b]
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04/11/16 02:31 PM
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Jpurdue
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Those cajuns eat any thing that swims, it happened at Amistad. I watched people cleaning numerous 5-7 lb blacks for years. What we need to do is build a tremendous wall right down the middle of the lake, to keep all those Cajuns off our side. We can use the vast crawfish trade deficit to between the two states to get them to pay for it!
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 02:50 PM
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Jigaholic
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I think it's already starting to happen. Been fishing there in the last few weeks? The amount of boats up there this past Wednesday/Thursday was crazy. The boat ramps were full in the middle of the week, and there was no major tournament this past weekend. Just a club tournament or two and a company tournament. The amount of pressure being put on these fish right now is crazy. Death by internet, just as Falcon, Amistad, Dunlap, etc.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: Jpurdue]
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04/11/16 02:55 PM
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Chris B
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I think the loss of hydrilla will hurt the lake also. I think the biggest factor on a large lake is grass and water level. Wasn't that long ago all the tournaments were avoiding Toledo and fishing just Rayburn.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
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04/11/16 02:59 PM
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 03:07 PM
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gatoreyes
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I was there recently and saw numerous Texans cleaning bass. It seems to be a common practice on TB, but it always makes me feel bad to see.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 03:09 PM
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jwcromer
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for the life of me,I dont know why people fool around with the internet,it not here to stay, just a fad
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
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04/11/16 03:43 PM
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Fisheries go up and down just like everything else. Nothing to worry about, if it gets tough it will get better again a few years later.
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
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04/11/16 04:37 PM
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ChuChu1
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Fisheries go up and down just like everything else. Nothing to worry about, if it gets tough it will get better again a few years later. Exactly!
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Re: Discussion on TBend's future
[Re: RayBob]
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04/11/16 04:44 PM
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I dont think it will decline much. The size and more consistent water levels than falcon
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