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Save Lake Texoma #9659716 01/19/14 05:57 AM
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If any of you guys are on Facebook, look at the Save Lake Texoma page. There is lots of good info there. We are in a drought no doubt, but they are still sucking water out of the lake. If you are not on Facebook then google Save Lake Texoma K10. There is a news story about the lake. Thanks for looking and tight lines!

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Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: Outlaw2531] #9660160 01/19/14 03:32 PM
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Didn't Texoma get over full pool once last summer? Now they've sucked it down this low?

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^ yes it was

Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: Outlaw2531] #9660734 01/19/14 08:25 PM
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been dumping non stop to send power to Dallas


Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: Outlaw2531] #9660886 01/19/14 09:39 PM
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It will get worse when the new pipeline to Lavon comes on line.

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I just want to launch my dang boat. I am semi okay with the Corp letting water out, as long as they would put people using the resource on power/watering rations. That makes sense to me but I guess I am to simple of a guy.

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Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: Outlaw2531] #9662488 01/20/14 12:53 PM
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All county's in north central texas are still on water rationing/water restrictions, what are you asking the corp to do? most lakes were built for water retention for consumer uses. Lets help each other by posting what ramps are usable during this low water period until all ramps are unusable or we get some much needed rain. We have no control of how the water is used, it is alos a good time to survey the dry areas for future fishing when the lake returns to its normal levels.

Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: Outlaw2531] #9662632 01/20/14 02:21 PM
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That page started out ok then it went full on mis-information! There are not two pipes going from Texoma to the water plant down by Lavon. One pipe and it has not even been running in couple of years! They are about to start using it again. Second the power company is at an alltime low for power genration they are not genrating non-stop! They are at 15% of their normal generation for this time of year. The corp is not pumping water anywhere. Even when the power company does quit generating completely there will still be some water that has to flow thru to keep the river and wildife down stream from drying out! I hate the lake low as much as anyone but unless it rains in the watershed out west Texoma just will not catch much water. It does matter how freaking much it rains around the lake! Local rains will not raise the lake much at all! Panda energy will be online sometime in the next year or two and that will help maybe. It is a natural Gas plant but they will use water from the pipeline to run the plant! marinas could do theirself a big favor and extend the ramps right now while the lake is low. One thing many people are missing is the corp used to leave the lake up but the marinas and locals complained it was flooding too much so they went to a seasonal pool. 619 from May to about september than down to 615 for the winter and spring to help with flooding around the lake and in marinas. We gripe when it is high, we gripe when it is low. Instead of blaiming people who are doing their job within the laws that your congress voted on. Why not get together and try and help the marinas dig out the end of the ramps where possible, find someone who can do concrete work and lets pitch in. Some of the pictures make it look horrible! Well most of those areas were only a few feet deep at normal level to begin with. There are places just 10 years ago were 10 to 15 feet deep at normal level and now are dry at normal level do to sediment not low water!

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It is all my fault, I bought a lakefront lot on Texoma, it will probably dry up now. wink


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Originally Posted By: Happykamper
It is all my fault, I bought a lakefront lot on Texoma, it will probably dry up now. wink


LOL!!

Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: Outlaw2531] #9662802 01/20/14 03:12 PM
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Don't forget that compliance with USACE Nationwide Permit 36 for Boat Ramp construction is required. You may also have to comply with NWP 3 for maintenance or you may have to comply with both. A Preconstruction Notification to USACE under the permit is required if there is more than 50yds of discharge and the ramp is more than 20 feet wide. There are also about 30 general conditions to comply with. You can't just go to building a boat ramp because the water is low. Sometimes the water level is back up by the time the permitting is complete. Also, they generally want the plans made as if the lake were at pool level because that is where their jurisdiction begins. We all know lake levels fluctuate so it ends up being case-by-case, as with every permit.

Best to at least check with Tulsa district before commencing any activity to make sure the project in definitely in compliance.

Go read up on the North Texas Municipal Water District website about the pipeline projects and the water situations for some reliable information. USACE, for the most part, controls the technical aspects of the release/generation at the dam and NTMWD controls the supply and demand.

Don't go putting too much stock in what you read on internet forums. Don't even put 100% stock in what I wrote here. Go do the research in the right places. Some of the things I read on forums just make me shake my head and laugh.


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LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon


Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound
BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma
Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville
Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY
Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR
Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR
Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL

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Regional General Permit 8-Boat Ramps and Minor Facilities
Among other activities, RGP-8 allows for the removal of accumulated sediments and debris in
the vicinity of, and within, existing structures (e.g., boat ramps, boat slips, boat docks, bridges,
culverted road crossings, etc.) and the placement of new rip rap to protect the structure. The
removal of sediment is limited to the minimum necessary to restore the waterway in the
immediate vicinity of the structure to the approximate dimensions that existed when the structure
was built, but cannot extend further than 200 feet in any direction from the structure. If the area
to be dredged is less than 1/10 acre, does not result in permanent or temporary adverse effects
to forested wetlands and does not occur within the habitat types listed in criteria 6.c.1-2, or
d.(page 4), and best management practices are used to control sediments from re-entering the
water, no PCN would be required. The placement of riprap must be the minimum necessary to
protect the structure or to ensure the safety of the structure. All excavated materials must be
deposited and retained in an upland area unless otherwise specifically approved by the USACE.
Any bank stabilization measures not directly associated with the structure will require a separate
authorization from the USACE.

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The last I heard is the Corp is working on the gates and plan on bringing the lake levels down to 590. The information came from Lighthouse Marina operators. It may get tough to launch at that level.


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Originally Posted By: Jeremy Gage
I just want to launch my dang boat. I am semi okay with the Corp letting water out, as long as they would put people using the resource on power/watering rations. That makes sense to me but I guess I am to simple of a guy.
I don't think the powers to be realize that the world revolves around you being able to launch your boat. We will try to get this straightened out as soon as possible. frkazoid

Re: Save Lake Texoma [Re: TIM CLINE] #9663496 01/20/14 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: TIM CLINE
Regional General Permit 8-Boat Ramps and Minor Facilities
Among other activities, RGP-8 allows for the removal of accumulated sediments and debris in
the vicinity of, and within, existing structures (e.g., boat ramps, boat slips, boat docks, bridges,
culverted road crossings, etc.) and the placement of new rip rap to protect the structure. The
removal of sediment is limited to the minimum necessary to restore the waterway in the
immediate vicinity of the structure to the approximate dimensions that existed when the structure
was built, but cannot extend further than 200 feet in any direction from the structure. If the area
to be dredged is less than 1/10 acre, does not result in permanent or temporary adverse effects
to forested wetlands and does not occur within the habitat types listed in criteria 6.c.1-2, or
d.(page 4), and best management practices are used to control sediments from re-entering the
water, no PCN would be required. The placement of riprap must be the minimum necessary to
protect the structure or to ensure the safety of the structure. All excavated materials must be
deposited and retained in an upland area unless otherwise specifically approved by the USACE.
Any bank stabilization measures not directly associated with the structure will require a separate
authorization from the USACE.


RGP-8 was issued in 2009 by the Fort Worth District and applies to the Fort Worth and and Albequerque Districts. It is is for maintenance and construction of boat ramps and minor facilities that cause a minimum adverse effect to the aquatic environment (that is key) and it expires this August.

Lake Texoma is in the Tulsa District. The information you just posted was from a public notice issued by the Fort Worth District in 2011 intended to offer information about permits that can be used for dredging and excavation activities during low water drought conditions in Texas. The Tulsa district has four general permits and they do not concern boat ramps.

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PBs

LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon


Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound
BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma
Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville
Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY
Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR
Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR
Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL

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