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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9658389 01/18/14 06:23 PM
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Hostile much?

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9658443 01/18/14 07:07 PM
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Rubbish! What does this moron expect Carey to do? Throw some trout in a kiddie pool in some other park and have it there? This will bring much revenue to the state via licenses, lodging, tackle, restaurants, the list goes on and on...

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9658866 01/18/14 10:56 PM
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Gas, lodging, licenses, Eddie's fly shop, also a pretty darn good advertisement for the LMF. They are stocked fish after all, they are meant to be exploited. I haven't checked, but the one fly isn't the same weekend. Jhoov, lighten up dude. If the fish need their taxes done, I will donate my time smile

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9658874 01/18/14 11:01 PM
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Thank you so much for your interest in the tournament! I will do my best to answer all of your simple, all be it overtly hostile, questions.

Yes it is a 100% payout tournament. Since 100% payout does in fact take all of the entry fees, 100-100=0, none of the goes to LMFRF, but I will ask everyone if they would like to donate their winnings. I will also be happy to take your donation down their with me. Drop it off anytime.

I think maybe you don't understand what exploit means so I will help you. Yes I'm a giver! I have somewhere South of 100 guided trips at the LMF river every year. I spend an inordinate amount of time advertising, talking to perspective clients, recommending accommodations and eateries, and most importantly, explaining the rules of this body of water. That is about 200 people, not including friends and family, that I bring to the area. Yes some would have come anyway but, since you obviously have a penchant for drama, we will say at least 200.

All of those people have bought a license, paid for lodging, food, gas, and sundries in Oklahoma and Broken Bow. Without revenue this park would go bankrupt, and without the park the businesses in the surrounding area would go bankrupt. How do you expect pay for the thousands of stocked fish, or the maintenance and upkeep of the park, without the revenue of people coming there to fish and hunt? I also pick up trash and inform rule breakers of the posted rules, but I'm pretty sure that I could spend all of my free time rearranging pinecones and hand feeding trout while I sang them lullabies, and you would still say I was 'exploiting' the area. Good thing no one knows about all those times I addicted the trout to heroin and forced them into prostitution...

The Mystery Fly Tournament is a great tournament, just as the LMFRF is a great foundation. That tournament, thrown by that foundation, does benefit only that foundation, as none of the fees are awarded to winners, who have to be members of that foundation to even participate, and it is another fee to join. It is, in every sense of the word, a fund raising event. While that is great, my tournament is for anyone who wants to enter; participants are not required to join any groups and they are not required to donate their entry fee and awards. It is a traditional tournament. I am not a non-profit foundation and I don't have the resources the LMFRF has. Having said that, I am not keeping any of the proceeds for myself and I am putting it together on my own time; this tournament is for the benefit of the people. It is the people's tournament!

I am a fishing guide. That is how I support my family. I follow the laws, I don't leave trash around, I almost never keep fish for myself, I call the game warden if I see illegal activity, and I do my best to respect the water and the fish.I don't know what you do for a living, please fell free to post though so I can make this an exact analogy. Let's say you are pizza delivery man. Do you ask people to order the pizza but not keep it? Or maybe you are real-estate agent. Do you donate part of your commission to the neighborhood you sold a house in to give back to the area in which you are making a living? How about a gynecologist. There are non-profits that care for women's health for free so maybe you should send your clients there and stop competing with them. Hopefully you are getting the point but if not let me know and I will prepare a power point presentation for you. Hope I see you at the tournament buddy! If you win you can donate the money to anything you see fit...


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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9659153 01/19/14 01:12 AM
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I was simply asking if you would profit from the event you are promoting. That's what it is right, a promotion for your "guide" service. It's got nothing to do with the betterment of the river, park, or town. Lets call it what it is.

I'm aware of the definition of exploit, you epitomize the definition. Wasn't it just a few years ago that you were exposed for guiding without proper licensing to do so? That sounds pretty irresponsible as a "professonal" guide. It shows a disregard for the laws that you claim to follow and help educate others of as well as the well as a disregard for the safety of your clients. What if you were to have had an accident without the proper insurance required to obtain the license?

The trout that are stocked are paid for by license sales as well as through donations from the LMFRF as far as I know. I guess you think all the work to spillway creek as well as other stream improvements just magically appeared too? I have no affiliation to the LMFRF but have spent some time doing stream improvements well before it's inception 12 or so years ago. I feel fortunate to have such a resource available and take exception with those who merely continue to take from it without doing anything to help restore or replace it. I don't know if you do or don't but I seen you post plenty on here about usinvg the resource for your gain, but nothing about contributing anything worthwhile back. Just my observations.

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9659360 01/19/14 02:35 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out what the heck "wild stocker" means. Is it a wild tournament, or are the stockers heavy drinkers that frequent strip clubs?

In seriousness, I guess it could mean descendants of stockers, but then they'd just be wild (and crazy, for you SNL fans).

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9659378 01/19/14 02:43 AM
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You do need the power point presentation! You were not asking if there was ANY benefit for me from the tournament. You asked "will any of the entry fees go back to the resource," which I answered directly.

Another direct answer would be no, I was not exposed for guiding without a license. I'm not going into this again, you can check the old posts or ask the moderator for the copy of the license I sent to him, years ago. I also have a half million dollar insurance policy, which is not required for the fishing guides, guiding from land in Texas or Oklahoma, but it is for boats.

You don't "take exception with those who merely continue to take from it without doing anything to restore or replace it;" you take issue with me. Which is fine, haters be hatin'. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you have been PMing everyone on this forum about their 'exploitation' of every body of water they fish on, because 99% of the people here have never 'restored or replaced' the lakes and rivers, beyond buying a license and paying taxes.

I understand that you don't know me beyond reading all my posts, but I do care about the lakes and the rivers. I genuinely hope you will give that idea a chance and stop trying to ruin this thread. If you would like to speak to me directly about any of this you can PM me or call me.


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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9659391 01/19/14 02:46 AM
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The drinking and strip clubs must be why they don't reproduce! I do hope the tournament will be a little wild, but that isn't where the term came from.


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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9659404 01/19/14 02:50 AM
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I see less whining from the girls at my high school. Just let the man run his tournament in peace.

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9659442 01/19/14 03:02 AM
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Amen. The guy adds more tithe local economy than any of us.

Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: bigjhoov] #9659974 01/19/14 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: bigjhoov
So, will any percentage of the entry fee's go back to the resource you are exploiting? Is it 100% payout or will you be profiting from the proceeds?

I'd be interested to hear exactly what you do as a guide as well to give back to a resource you earn a living from. I'm pretty sure you aren't involved with the LMFRF since you are going out of your way to promote an alternate event to their one-fly contest which does benefit the LMF.





WHAT!! does that have to do with the reason for this thread which is the entry fees, RULES and regulations of the tourney?????

Take your questions to private messages instead of unloading your petty BASHING complaints about a singled out person PLEASE!!!!
Myself and I am sure others don't want to hear the B.S.


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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9660232 01/19/14 03:54 PM
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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9660298 01/19/14 04:22 PM
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I must have missed something...what's the difference in 20 ppl fishing in a "trouney" compared to 20 random ppl fishing at the park? Well I mean other than the trouney fly fishermen respecting the park's rules/regulations, awhile more often than not practicing catch n release.

T-Fly is a wonderful ambassador of our sport to all that come in contact with him.


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Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9686882 01/29/14 02:58 AM
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Im going to keep and eat all the fish I catch...


Re: Lower Mt. Fork River- Wild Stocker Trout Tournament [Re: TarponFly] #9688685 01/29/14 07:35 PM
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