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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: Double K Outdoors]
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12/31/13 11:40 PM
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BarryH
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...it died because it was pulled up from deep water. Fish don't die because they are pulled up from deep water. Pulling a fish up rapidly from deep water de-pressurizes their swim bladder. De-pressurization causes the air bladder to expand. When the air bladder expands, it can create additional pressure on other internal organs as well as cause the fish to be unable to right itself. This, IF NOT CORRECTED, creates problems with stress, breathing, etc. and can result in mortality. Fish normally self-regulate their air bladder on a regular basis but this is a slow process. They move from deep water to shallow water (and vice versa) often. If the movement is temporary (i.e., coming up from depth to feed), the fish is not significantly stressed for a long enough period of time to be problematic. If the movement is longer-term, the fish must make the transition more slowly, allowing for the equalization of the swim bladder at the target depth. The two ways to relieve an expanded swim bladder are to either: (1) Return the fish to depth immediately or (2) Release excess air from the swim bladder ("fizzing"). Often, a fish caught from deep water can swim back to depth if released immediately. If the fish cannot swim back to depth or cannot maintain an upright position on its own, relieving the expansion of the air bladder by properly fizzing a fish enables the fish to quickly return to a neutrally-buoyant state in an upright condition, eliminating THAT source of stress to the fish. Keep in mind that there are other stressors on a fish that can also be equally fatal. Excessive handling, shock from a change in water temperature, inadequate oxygen and excessive ammonia can all contribute to fish mortality. For example, colder water holds more dissolved oxygen but if you move a fish instantly from very warm to very cold water, the temperature shock can be equally stressful. The key to reducing fish mortality is to eliminate or minimize ALL of the stressors on the fish.
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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: BarryH]
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01/01/14 01:14 AM
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hopalong
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...it died because it was pulled up from deep water. Fish don't die because they are pulled up from deep water. Pulling a fish up rapidly from deep water de-pressurizes their swim bladder. De-pressurization causes the air bladder to expand. When the air bladder expands, it can create additional pressure on other internal organs as well as cause the fish to be unable to right itself. This, IF NOT CORRECTED, creates problems with stress, breathing, etc. and can result in mortality. Fish normally self-regulate their air bladder on a regular basis but this is a slow process. They move from deep water to shallow water (and vice versa) often. If the movement is temporary (i.e., coming up from depth to feed), the fish is not significantly stressed for a long enough period of time to be problematic. If the movement is longer-term, the fish must make the transition more slowly, allowing for the equalization of the swim bladder at the target depth. The two ways to relieve an expanded swim bladder are to either: (1) Return the fish to depth immediately or (2) Release excess air from the swim bladder ("fizzing"). Often, a fish caught from deep water can swim back to depth if released immediately. If the fish cannot swim back to depth or cannot maintain an upright position on its own, relieving the expansion of the air bladder by properly fizzing a fish enables the fish to quickly return to a neutrally-buoyant state in an upright condition, eliminating THAT source of stress to the fish. Keep in mind that there are other stressors on a fish that can also be equally fatal. Excessive handling, shock from a change in water temperature, inadequate oxygen and excessive ammonia can all contribute to fish mortality. For example, colder water holds more dissolved oxygen but if you move a fish instantly from very warm to very cold water, the temperature shock can be equally stressful. The key to reducing fish mortality is to eliminate or minimize ALL of the stressors on the fish. very well said
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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: hopalong]
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01/01/14 11:28 AM
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Matt1212
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Somebody explain how much to let out. I know in summer, they can die on bottom too(after being fizzed). That "just feel if fish still applies upward pressure on your hand when fizzing" is easier said than done. I understand how to fizz, but how exactly do you get them to neutral bouncy?
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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: Matt1212]
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01/01/14 03:22 PM
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hopalong
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Somebody explain how much to let out. I know in summer, they can die on bottom too(after being fizzed). That "just feel if fish still applies upward pressure on your hand when fizzing" is easier said than done. I understand how to fizz, but how exactly do you get them to neutral bouncy? watch the video in this link, explains it very well. http://www.bassmaster.com/tips/fizzing-future
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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: hopalong]
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01/01/14 03:49 PM
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Douglas J
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I would change the title of subject. Not just about a Share a Lunker. IMO no but I had 2 reasons to post this, first to compare to the sharelunker threads. it is a shame that 550 died but had the minnow bucket staff asked just a couple of questions this might not have happened (I am not disparaging the staff either). second is to maybe make some on here think about what they actually know or can do for a deep caught or gut hooked fish, maybe some will make an attempt to learn proper care if they don't already know how. not trying to put anyone down because for all anyone knows 550 might have died no matter what so no blame is being placed on anyone. their special the next day in the choke n puke was fried SAL
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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: hopalong]
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01/02/14 02:04 AM
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Bruce Allen
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I guess they took it to a tank where the owners didn't recognize the fish needed help and/or didn't know how to fizz her.
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Re: sharelunker poll
[Re: hopalong]
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01/02/14 06:26 PM
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Randy Harrell
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I learned a lot this year about fizzing because of tournament fishing in deep water. I lost some fish this year due to Baratrauma. I was very upset after one tournament where I lost a 19 lb stringer that I caught out of 20-24 ft of water. None of these fish were deep/tongue hooked. The live well was cooled and treated with Please Release Me. Everyone one of those fish within 15 minutes of being caught would turn on their sides or even completely upside down at times because of the pressurized air bladder. They remained like this for 4 hours until weigh in, but none of them died. Each fish would still bite your hand, and fight you when you grabbed them. After weigh in, I worked with them for 30 minutes at the ramp to get them to swim off. Most of them would swim off and sometimes stay gone for up to 2 minutes before returning to the surface on their side again.
In the end, there was a guy at the ramp that had been catfishing and had a few. He said he would take them and clean them since they were going to die. I was pissed at myself for not having a needle and not knowing how to fizz. These 5 fish were a prime example of needing to know how to do this. I now have needles in my boat and in my truck.
Since I have learned how, I have fizzed at least 20 fish in my livewell that had showed the same symptoms as the above fish. Out of those, 2 died in the livewell within an hour and 1 died by the time I got it weighed in. All the rest were strong, upright, and swam off after release as if nothing had ever happened.
IMO, if you fish deep and do not immediately return these fish, you need to know how to fizz. Once they turn belly up in the livewell because of baratrauma, they are a dead fish already if you do not correct their condition. However in the end, SOMETIMES, THEY JUST DIE.
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