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 Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/02/13 03:43 AM
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I was there with 2 other guys M-W. I'd never been before and wanted to check it out. NEVER AGAIN. There were more fishermen than fish and the banks were slick with smashed salmon eggs, empty egg jars, etc. in the Red Zone. Nobody was catching anything. I eeked out 3 trout and 4 misses strikes in 3 days. I don't mind tough trout fishing, I can handle a crowd now and then, but I don't want to fight a crowd for lousy fishing. I'll drive the extra 3 hours to the Ozarks from now on.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/02/13 04:58 AM
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You know I think about it I don't think I have ever seen brokenbow on a weekend. I also fish bass tournament and fish the hottest lakes at the best times. Try being in the middle of a 60000 acre lake wacking the [censored] out of off shore bass as fast as you can cast. Have ten boats with three guys each move in and start fishing on top of where you ha been casting. Two more move in now just fore good mesure idle around your spot just to graph it and mark it on the GPS and take off killin the bite. These yahoos are every where just sometimes not in great numbers. But for as far as a small stream this is probably why I don't go on the weekend. I'm leaving for the white river early sunday morning fishing Monday thru Friday at five and leaving ASAP when the weekend crowds arive. Like Mateo said though there is exceptional fishing to be had in solitude with a little leg work. Don't forget you can't cure stupid lol. I look forward to this winter and solitude on the lmf. fish it during the week after fall color and till the end of the march browns and go somewhere else my .02.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: FlyGuy66]
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11/05/13 04:06 PM
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Bass_Bustin_Texan
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I was there with 2 other guys M-W. I'd never been before and wanted to check it out. NEVER AGAIN. There were more fishermen than fish and the banks were slick with smashed salmon eggs, empty egg jars, etc. in the Red Zone. Nobody was catching anything. I eeked out 3 trout and 4 misses strikes in 3 days. I don't mind tough trout fishing, I can handle a crowd now and then, but I don't want to fight a crowd for lousy fishing. I'll drive the extra 3 hours to the Ozarks from now on. It is TRASHY!! Looks like the banks of a DFW lake. Not to mention the kids walking behind you while fly fishing...parent don't even care.
You can avoid having ulcers by adapting to the situation: If you fall in the mud puddle, check your pockets for fish. ~Unknown
Open your eyes & look within, are you satisfied with the life youre living.
No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: pearow]
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11/06/13 09:21 PM
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well, its proper trout water for me; I fish mostly brim and bass mostly but I enjoy going up 3-4 times a year and catching a trout. I won't fish if its crowded; its kinda just the choices you make-p- I agree with Gene. Broken Bow is the best YEAR-ROUND trout fishing within a couple of hours of me, so I take it for what it is. Have I had some days there that were tarnished by ya-hoos stomping into the area I was fishing? YEP! Have there been days I didn't catch 50+ fish like some people think they're ENTITLED TO?? YEPPER! The thing is, it's a great place to go and do some fly fishing! If the fish aren't biting, it's a great place to do some hiking or even kayaking or maybe even bicycling... You see, Beaver's Bend is all around a great place that's pretty close to home. I've been going there for 35 years, and I still get excited when the opportunity comes up to go! SO WHAT if they only stock every 3 weeks or so? The fish are enormous compared to what they used to stock! SO WHAT if Eddy doesn't have his message board up & tells everyone exactly how many fish they stocked in whatever hole or whatever creek?!?! Some people think that all the fish are caught out between stockings.... I say you need to try different tactics and/or fish in a different spot! The great part of fly fishing to me is to just have the opportunity to go. No one that takes the time to drive to Broken Bow (or insert whatever destination) is entitled to catch even ONE fish, let alone 20 or 30 or 50 fish per day. A good friend of mine took the opportunity to help out with Casting for Recovery a couple of weeks ago. He got paired up with a Survivor that caught ONE fish, and that was all he wanted. The Survivor handed the rod to my friend and said that he wanted to just watch my friend fish. ONE fish... Why do we think that we are SO entitled? You can always take up golf! JR
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/06/13 09:58 PM
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/06/13 10:24 PM
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Bass_Bustin_Texan
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JR, we simply are saying BB is not at it high point anymore. Disappointed...Yes we are. Disappointed in the lack of enforcement and trash.....which has a direct correlation between the fishing quality and scenery. It just is upsetting. Entitled? No....if I was entitled I would have my own private river.  I too have been going there my whole life. I am happy to catch one too, since I'm pretty much a rookie fly guy. BTW I also golf, bass fish, fish for anything that swims, duck hunt, deer hunt and whatever else I can do in nature! 
You can avoid having ulcers by adapting to the situation: If you fall in the mud puddle, check your pockets for fish. ~Unknown
Open your eyes & look within, are you satisfied with the life youre living.
No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/06/13 11:29 PM
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It's interesting the take on the changed/reduced stockings at Beavers Bend. I was told this past Monday by an Oklahoma Wildlife Supervisor his office received so many complaints when the fish were not put in the exact day scheduled that the upper echelon agreed to stop posting dates. Does not really affect locals. They can drive down there and know whether the place has new trout or not. A lot of the holdovers have been caught and released and will not bite for awhile. Like us it's probably different for each fish. The recent stocking occurred on Fri. and we went up there on Monday. We live 230 miles away. I'm in the camp who likes to know since it cost each one of us over $100 a trip to go up there and wear and tear on vehicles. Have tried 20 days after a stocking and only caught 1 fish in the blue zone and 9 in the red zone between us. Sorry, not wasting money to go up there when there's few fish to be caught and many others dinged up. We move around a lot and have been fishing there for 10 years. When Paul Baulkenbush and James Vincent were still with the OWDC it seemed to have functioned better. Also Crystal lake Fisheries out of Ava MO. did a great job delivering fish on time. Right now it could be any day of the week with the 900+ miles away Nebraska group. I would much rather go up there when there is a chance to catch more trout. Glad there is some of you who do not care about that. I aired my concerns to OWDC officials this past Monday but I doubt anything will change from what I have heard. I also asked that they bring back the trout stamp. They said $10 I said how about at least $20 to help insure the program remains a success even if it has deteriorated some from the past. Sure it's still fun and enjoyment to go up there. It's even "funner" if there are fish to catch.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: Chatterbait]
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11/06/13 11:32 PM
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Chatterbait
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Also, you've probably discovered there's a Lower Mountain Fork thread covering a lot of the same concerns.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: Chatterbait]
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11/07/13 02:32 PM
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Also, you've probably discovered there's a Lower Mountain Fork thread covering a lot of the same concerns. I am fully aware of the other thread. I am also referring to the posts by the mis-guided guide that tells people that it's OK to fish anywhere in the park with a pink powerbait worm "as long as you mash the barb"... Post #8647979... It is 100% illegal to use powerbait worms in the red zones, whether you mash the barbs or not. ANYTHING with a scent is illegal in the red zones. It is quite entertaining to read that people catch 147 fish out of a spot "the size of a car". Honestly, to me, that would get quite boring after a while! I'm not bashing anyone that enjoys fishing in the same spot pulling one fish after another after another after another. Some people are entertained by that. Have you ever waded up spillway creek & fished riffles and pocket water? You won't catch 50+ fish, but you just might find one that will run you into your backing. Ever tried stripping a streamer below the Old Park Dam or Re-reg Dam? Ever tried fishing from a kayak in some of the deeper water in the park? I agree absolutely that the game wardens are not doing their job. Last trip, there was a local idiot with two young kids fishing with a spinning rod in the evening hole just below where lost creek tees into it. He caught a really nice fish, shoved his fingers up into its gills, and started to leave. I asked him if it was 20 inches. After some discussion, he put the fish back into the water. It probably died. The guy told me he had been fishing LMF all his life and didn't know about the 20 inch minimum rule in the red zone. I'm sure they have taken dozens of fish home illegaly. From people not understanding the rules & regulations to people not caring a flip about the laws... From not knowing exactly when & where they stock to how many fish die in the process, all-in-all, Broken Bow is a darn good place to fish. I can honestly say that I have never caught 100 fish there in one day. I don't want to. I had rather find a few fish sipping midges and fool one or two of them. The evening hole is full of fish just sipping midge after midge, and they're probably right against the bank where it's almost impossible to get a natural drift. I had much rather fool ONE of these fish than catch 100 fish out of a "spot the size of a car". Too bad some people think they are entitled to catch 50+ fish a day. I say learn proper casting techniques. Learn what trout eat after they have been in the water for 6 months or more. Figure out where they DO go, including pocket water & shallow riffles... Pink powerbait worms... REALLY?? Give me a break!! Different strokes for different folks... JR
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: split cane rod]
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11/07/13 04:35 PM
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Turf Dawg
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Also, you've probably discovered there's a Lower Mountain Fork thread covering a lot of the same concerns. I am fully aware of the other thread. I am also referring to the posts by the mis-guided guide that tells people that it's OK to fish anywhere in the park with a pink powerbait worm "as long as you mash the barb"... Post #8647979... It is 100% illegal to use powerbait worms in the red zones, whether you mash the barbs or not. ANYTHING with a scent is illegal in the red zones. It is quite entertaining to read that people catch 147 fish out of a spot "the size of a car". Honestly, to me, that would get quite boring after a while! I'm not bashing anyone that enjoys fishing in the same spot pulling one fish after another after another after another. Some people are entertained by that. Have you ever waded up spillway creek & fished riffles and pocket water? You won't catch 50+ fish, but you just might find one that will run you into your backing. Ever tried stripping a streamer below the Old Park Dam or Re-reg Dam? Ever tried fishing from a kayak in some of the deeper water in the park? I agree absolutely that the game wardens are not doing their job. Last trip, there was a local idiot with two young kids fishing with a spinning rod in the evening hole just below where lost creek tees into it. He caught a really nice fish, shoved his fingers up into its gills, and started to leave. I asked him if it was 20 inches. After some discussion, he put the fish back into the water. It probably died. The guy told me he had been fishing LMF all his life and didn't know about the 20 inch minimum rule in the red zone. I'm sure they have taken dozens of fish home illegaly. From people not understanding the rules & regulations to people not caring a flip about the laws... From not knowing exactly when & where they stock to how many fish die in the process, all-in-all, Broken Bow is a darn good place to fish. I can honestly say that I have never caught 100 fish there in one day. I don't want to. I had rather find a few fish sipping midges and fool one or two of them. The evening hole is full of fish just sipping midge after midge, and they're probably right against the bank where it's almost impossible to get a natural drift. I had much rather fool ONE of these fish than catch 100 fish out of a "spot the size of a car". Too bad some people think they are entitled to catch 50+ fish a day. I say learn proper casting techniques. Learn what trout eat after they have been in the water for 6 months or more. Figure out where they DO go, including pocket water & shallow riffles... Pink powerbait worms... REALLY?? Give me a break!! Different strokes for different folks... JR It seems I am like you in a way. To me it is about getting away from it all while fishing, listening to the water and looking at the scenery. If a spot looks crowded we just move to a different area. I have never been there when all of Spillway creek was full. It might not be the best fishing spots but we always seem to catch some. I have been times when we nail them for awhile and times when we only catch a couple but it is always fun and relaxing.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/07/13 04:50 PM
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TarponFly
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Here's my new "Near Deer" design. It's called the " Miss Guided Guide Pink Split Cane Near Deer " -Don't leave home without it!  Send me your address JR, and I'll send you a dozen free. ( ill pay for shipping and handling as well, for helping me with the design idea. Then you'll catch more than two or three fish a day. And FYI I've caught well over 50 fish in one day in Spillway Creek alone. I have a video on that one as well if you would like to see?
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/07/13 06:05 PM
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Golfer Jeff
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"It is 100% illegal to use powerbait worms in the red zones, whether you mash the barbs or not. ANYTHING with a scent is illegal in the red zones." But if it is not scented, you tie it yourself, and mash the barbs, you can indeed fish anywhere. Catching numbers of fish is fun once in awhile. As an accountant, it is always nice to quantify an experience. Yes, it would get boring if that was all you were concerned with. Guides have to take this into account - what do their clients want? Catching 6 fish in cool water doesn't make for as good a story to the family as catching several dozen in one pool. To each his own. We all have days where catching 1 or 2 big fish in new water is really cool and perfectly acceptable. A newbie catching the same fish would probably go back to bait fishing beacuse fly is too boring. Maybe it's time to try TF's new fly Oh, and I do golf.... alot better than I fly-fish! In fact, I just fished and golfed in Colorado with the Wounded Warrior project out of Colorado Springs and the Air Force Academy. JR - I totally agree with your assessment of the veterans and their disposition. One guy wanted just one large Brown and that was enough for him. Amazing day on the water....
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: TarponFly]
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11/07/13 06:09 PM
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Here's my new "Near Deer" design.
It's called the " Miss Guided Guide Pink Split Cane Near Deer " -Don't leave home without it! Don't forget to tell your clients to: Send me your address JR, and I'll send you a dozen free. ( ill pay for shipping and handling as well, for helping me with the design idea. Then you'll catch more than two or three fish a day. I'll send you my PayPal account address so you can send me royalties. This morning I cancelled my trip at 930 am cause fishing was awful with just three fish landed and they were little guys with the biggest being 15 inches. First time ever I told my clients lets try later in the day and maybe they will stock. Entitled to catch 50+ fish, are we? Then the stocking truck rolled in at 3 pm. My clients showed back up for round two retry. And FYI I've caught well over 50 fish in one day in Spillway Creek alone. I have a video on that one as well if you would like to see? As entertaining as your videos & posts are, you can save it for your mis-guided clients. I catch lots of fish at Beavers Bend, and I don't make it a habit to follow the stocking truck around in order to catch a bunch of newly-stocked hatchery fish. I catch plenty of quality fish... All times of the year... All areas of the park. I'm not in the entertainment industry, as you are. Beavers Bend is a great place to fish. You, and a lot of other people whine and cry and B**** and moan because you're not catching hundreds of fish... BOO HOO! For all the folks that have fished there recently and don't like the way things are being run, go to the Blue River. Head over to the Little Mo in Arkansas. Head down to the Guad... or learn to 'match the hatch'. Just remember to mash the barbs... ALL the time! JR
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/07/13 06:32 PM
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TarponFly
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JR, you are correct I did misinform some of you guys on fishing with power bait in the red zones which you're not allowed to do. My bad. But you should leave all the power bait fisherman alone. Some people don't have the funds to buy a fly rod. Or for that matter, learning how to Flyfish or even wanting to Flyfish. There are more conventional Tackle fisherman that run through the river then there are flyfisherman. Just because you're a purist flyfisherman does not mean everybody else is wrong. My clients hire me to be a purist ( Actually throwing size 20 and 22 little midges), conventional Tackle, or just go throw the near deer around and catch butt load of fish as do the other guides. I don't Fish anywhere in the world to only catch two or three fish. That's just not how I roll. You may be happy being a purist. But some other people are not purists. Are you Republican Democrat or liberal? - who gives a flying F. Vote or fish however the heck you want to.
I really don't see a difference in fighting a fish with a size 22 midge or fighting the fish with a 1/80 jig fly. They fight the same. Whatever it takes to put a fish on the line I don't care. That's just me and that's how I roll. Obviously we have seen that over the last years. You have your way I have my way everybody else has their way. Just because you think it's wrong to use a pink near deer does not mean its bad. Remember these are stocked trout. They are not wild trout. Again they are not wild trout. What do you think they stock 6000 Fish every couple weeks? Because they get yanked out or starve to death.
You have no right to tell people what is wrong and what is not wrong if it is legal. So in the meantime I will do what I please -how I want to fish -where I want to fish -when I want a fish -what fly want to fish with. And I'll make sure I have more videos of catching 50+ Fish, just to bore you.
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Re: Beaver bend
[Re: JerryTad]
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11/07/13 07:04 PM
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Chatterbait
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Ok, so I wiped the tears from my eyes (laughter) and will now articulate a very diplomatic and sensitive response to Mr. J.R.
J.R. sir, Carey Thorn is the only Guide I know who will consider all factors for the day before taking your money and leaving you with only casting practice. He is a very good guide. Used him for sand bass fishing and plan to do hybrid striper fishing with him next year. The plastic scented worms were NOT illegal until recent legislation changed that. I also complained and sent wording for the statute they now use to outlaw the scented soft plastics in the Red Zones. A good move.
You're bored with catching trout the size of a car and 147 of them out of the same spot? I would be very tired indeed. Cannot say I would be bored.
We have tried fishing other areas only to have that blessed warning siren go off and fishing in Zone 2 was pretty much shut down. Re-Reg is too far to drive. We are not up there much so when we are we enjoy actually catching trout not driving around. Apologies if we offend for that position.
Do not own a kayak and yes we thought about float tubing but when you get our ages and only take one vehicle on our 460 mile round trip, it's not practical.
We have personally stopped over 20 individuals through the years
from poaching in the Evening Hole or using bait. So we've helped in that regard.
That's great that you have never caught 100 fish in one day. We have many times and it is rather exhilarating. We use fly and spin methods to accomplish this. Apologies if we're boring you.
I've said it several times other places. None of us feel entitled. We look at percentages. They are higher for catching fish the closer to a stocking time. That's just fact as many fish are legally removed from the creek/river in a short period of time. We've taken at least 60 individuals including children on a number of our trips and desired for them to catch trout.
I do respect your opinion(s) but others opinions should be respected as well. I hope I can get some of those new hot flies from Carey before they're all gone.
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