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 Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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03/30/13 07:16 AM
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bobcatfisher
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offing the trout pop below the dam would also eliminate the stiper population that feeds on the stocked trout, not to mention my statement about damning every downstream body of water still stands, any native plant species would be eliminated as well, messing up the feeding of migrational birds meaning that if you guys like duck season, expect less of them in the area. expectthick hydrilla mats to affect water temperaturenot to mention decaying bio mass from the hydrilla would affect nitrite levels. also itd ruin what little bank fishing there is on the lake. Its basically a piss poor idea all around
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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03/30/13 01:20 PM
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thedeuce
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Bobcatfisher has a point but choke is full of hydrilla and until this drought that grassy lake had some of the best fishing in the country, and some of the best duck hunting in the state. Ducks unlimited was shooting videos down there. So since bobcatfisher is so knowledgable I would like him to explain tha. How was choke stuffed full of hydrilla and have suck great hunting and fishin? I think the worry has nothing to do with fishing and hunting, more to do with outside interest.
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: bobcatfisher]
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03/30/13 03:18 PM
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HENDO
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offing the trout pop below the dam would also eliminate the stiper population that feeds on the stocked trout, TPWD already took care of eliminating the stripers in the river below Canyon dam. The Comal is FULL of hydrilla and we all know how that has affected the fishing and the plant life on Dunlap. Oh wait....the fishing is awesome there....especially around all the lilly pads. Most of the banks of Canyon lake are steep rocky dropoffs. Are you even familiar with this lake?
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: HENDO]
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03/30/13 03:24 PM
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bacosta
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offing the trout pop below the dam would also eliminate the stiper population that feeds on the stocked trout, TPWD already took care of eliminating the stripers in the river below Canyon dam. The Comal is FULL of hydrilla and we all know how that has affected the fishing and the plant life on Dunlap. Oh wait....the fishing is awesome there....especially around all the lilly pads. Most of the banks of Canyon lake are steep rocky dropoffs. Are you even familiar with this lake? +1
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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03/31/13 02:23 AM
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grout-scout
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I wonder if the water is even fertile enough for it to grow there? I heard some guys say they once found some drilla in Medina lake (same basic composition as Canyon) but it never really grew good there. But man it sure would be awesome if we actually had a decent bass fishing lake around the Hill Country.
Bobcat, would/could drilla even survive the cold water below the dam?
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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03/31/13 05:02 AM
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Cowboytx0614
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Go to Choke Canyon. Canyon Lake is over run by water fleas
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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03/31/13 02:13 PM
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bassguru78
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Im not a biologist and by no means a ecosystem expert and never fished canyon but look what happened to Lake conroe when they killed all the hydrilla. It made a great fishing lake into an average one at best. Every lake in the south i have fished that has good fishing seems to have hydrilla or some form of grass. Just saying....
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
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03/31/13 03:08 PM
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Im not a biologist and by no means a ecosystem expert and never fished canyon but look what happened to Lake conroe when they killed all the hydrilla. It made a great fishing lake into an average one at best. Every lake in the south i have fished that has good fishing seems to have hydrilla or some form of grass. Just saying.... The reason they killed off the hydrilla in conroe is becasue the folks with places back in those coves on the lake were completly shut off from the main lake. It was really bad in some areas, and true the fishing was great but it did a lot of harm as well. The south Texas lakes could handle hydrilla much better as they have greater flutuating levels unlike the east Texas lakes that maintain a more constant level due to the rainfall they receive, and also a difference in soil over the what we have in central and south Texas.
Just one more cast!
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
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04/02/13 11:15 AM
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for starters hydrilla can lower oxygen levels in the watersince mats of it at the top block the natural permeation of oxygen from the air through the surface of the water. Decaying plant matter from the killed off natural flora could sharply raise nitrite levels...for those of you with aquariums, you know what happens next. They can also choke up water flow which isnt too big of a deal for lakes until it slows down the water flowing into lakes then water levels are apt to drop faster than they already do during hot summers. Not to mention if it gets bad enough on a heavy bloom it can make lake access to coves piss poor. really, the risk of demolishing the ecosystem far outweighs the possible reward of a better ditch pickle environment because really all hydrilla would help is bass population and sunfish for a time
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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04/04/13 12:53 PM
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Well Im going to put my two cents in also. Im an old fart, I been fishing Choke Canyon every since the first year the lake was open,and probably have fished it more than any of you guys on here. Just to make a long story short, I can remember when the Hydrilla on choke was so thick, you couldn't even manuvere your boat around or even attempt to get close to the Hydrilla to fish it affectivly. At this time, you couldn't catch a fish under 3 lbs, fish were so healthy and strong, you didn't go down to choke unless your reels had 20 to 30 lb test line on them. So Please don't tell me that it hurts the ecosystem or environment. It might get thick at times, but nature seems to keep it under control. 
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
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04/04/13 04:50 PM
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grout-scout
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Well Im going to put my two cents in also. Im an old fart, I been fishing Choke Canyon every since the first year the lake was open,and probably have fished it more than any of you guys on here. Just to make a long story short, I can remember when the Hydrilla on choke was so thick, you couldn't even manuvere your boat around or even attempt to get close to the Hydrilla to fish it affectivly. At this time, you couldn't catch a fish under 3 lbs, fish were so healthy and strong, you didn't go down to choke unless your reels had 20 to 30 lb test line on them. So Please don't tell me that it hurts the ecosystem or environment. It might get thick at times, but nature seems to keep it under control. Lunker, I remember those times and miss them!
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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04/04/13 09:54 PM
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Will.i.am
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doesnt clear lake out in cali have grass along with trout???? im all for Grass in canyon but heard that fertility of the water wouldnt allow it to grow.. but if it were too im sure it could be controlled since most marina sit in pretty deep water 15+ ft and there arent to many homeowner boat docks.
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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04/05/13 01:26 AM
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chascat
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Someone put some in Potter's Creek years ago, way in the back.
I have not been back there in the last 15 years,so I can not
tell you if it is still there are not. If the lake will support
such, it would have happened then.There are plenty big bass
here. They are all in my crappie holes!You just have to fish
differant structure here in Canyon.
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: fatgirls1982]
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04/05/13 02:35 AM
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Chad Miller
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choke was fun back then...put in at calliham and drop the trolling motor and head left and follow the wall. Drop a red shad power worm against the wall and hang on..
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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ?
[Re: bobcatfisher]
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04/05/13 10:06 AM
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JesseX
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for starters hydrilla can lower oxygen levels in the watersince mats of it at the top block the natural permeation of oxygen from the air through the surface of the water. Decaying plant matter from the killed off natural flora could sharply raise nitrite levels...for those of you with aquariums, you know what happens next. They can also choke up water flow which isnt too big of a deal for lakes until it slows down the water flowing into lakes then water levels are apt to drop faster than they already do during hot summers. Not to mention if it gets bad enough on a heavy bloom it can make lake access to coves piss poor. really, the risk of demolishing the ecosystem far outweighs the possible reward of a better ditch pickle environment because really all hydrilla would help is bass population and sunfish for a time Interesting. By this analogy Lake Seminole and Okeechobee should be the dead sea. I have caught some huge fish on a rat on top of these decaying mats in Spring Creek. I actually had to use a rake to help dig the fish out. I have no doubt I could run to Spring Creek on Seminole where the mats are so thick you can walk across them, tie on a 8 inch worm with a 1 oz weight, start poking the mats in the grass and commence to pulling 5 pounders out. Been there, done that. I have not been there for 10 years, but I am sure the grass is still there. I am not dogging you. Just saying something does not add up.   
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