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Re: Biggest mistakes beginning Crappie fishermen make. [Re: ERNEST PATY] #8614845 02/20/13 07:22 PM
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Often if I break the leader off I will tie directly to the braid. Doesn't seem to hurt much most of the time. However occasionally it does matter and why take a chance, I never hurts and if I only catch one or two more fish in a day it's worth it when fishing with Guy. rolfmao (We get a little competitive)

For convenience I tie a #12 swivel (very tiny) to the braid and tie the short leader to the other eye of the swivel. I usually use about 12"-18" of mono. Not long enough to defeat the use of braid for the feel.


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Two reasons for using a leader; abrasion and visibility. Stronger more abrasion resistant leader for toothy fish and harsh structure. Low vis line like fluorocarbon for "line shy" fish.

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Re: Biggest mistakes beginning Crappie fishermen make. [Re: ERNEST PATY] #8617232 02/21/13 03:25 AM
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Earnest, which knots do you tie,
1) Braid to swivel
2) Braid to jig
3) Mono leader to swivel
4) Mono leader to jig

Re: Biggest mistakes beginning Crappie fishermen make. [Re: ERNEST PATY] #8617562 02/21/13 04:26 AM
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Improved clinch knot for everything.


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Before I read Guy and Ernest's response to my question about braid for dock shooting, I found a new (to me) hi vis braid by Suffix. Bought a spool of 10# (2# mono dia) got home and loaded it on my dock shooter. Proceeded to the dock and tried it out just shooting into the water. I've never been able to shoot a 1/8 oz jig as far as I did with this braid! I'm guessing something like close to 50'!
Now, I do agree with the limitations expressed by Guy and Ernest but, I've got to give this stuff a try.
The main reason I went to try braid is that recently I bought the new Wally hi vis 6# mono and promptly lost two fish back to back with the line broke in the loop I tie to the jig. I've broken off a lot of jigs and lost my share of fish but, I don't recall ever having a line break in the loop due to a fish on. Kinda made me have second thoughts about mono.

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Originally Posted By: OkieBob

. I've broken off a lot of jigs and lost my share of fish but, I don't recall ever having a line break in the loop due to a fish on. Kinda made me have second thoughts about mono.

I switched to braid from mono on all spinning even baitcasters no matter what im fishing and I have lost a heck of alot less fish!!! only mono i use its 30lb leaders for catfishin..and even on those i use braid!!!

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Re: Biggest mistakes beginning Crappie fishermen make. [Re: OkieBob] #8618132 02/21/13 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: OkieBob
Before I read Guy and Ernest's response to my question about braid for dock shooting, I found a new (to me) hi vis braid by Suffix. Bought a spool of 10# (2# mono dia) got home and loaded it on my dock shooter. Proceeded to the dock and tried it out just shooting into the water. I've never been able to shoot a 1/8 oz jig as far as I did with this braid! I'm guessing something like close to 50'!
Now, I do agree with the limitations expressed by Guy and Ernest but, I've got to give this stuff a try.
The main reason I went to try braid is that recently I bought the new Wally hi vis 6# mono and promptly lost two fish back to back with the line broke in the loop I tie to the jig. I've broken off a lot of jigs and lost my share of fish but, I don't recall ever having a line break in the loop due to a fish on. Kinda made me have second thoughts about mono.


I was visiting Cabela's a couple days ago...I saw some of that suffix braid you refer to...It WAS THE SMOOTHEST BRAID I HAVE EVER FELT...almost bought some, until I realized I had so much new braid at home, even if I got some it would take several years before I got around to using it...That said, I bet that new Suffix would take to dock shooting real well. Despite the fact that I am new to using a loop knot, it seems best suited to fishing over sunken structure. I don't know that I would use anything other than an improved clinch knot for dock shooting applications.

Re: Biggest mistakes beginning Crappie fishermen make. [Re: ERNEST PATY] #8618148 02/21/13 01:39 PM
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I've tried almost every knot over the years and I keep returning to the Improved clinch knot. I have found the loop knot to be one of the weakest knots I've ever used and I actually prefer my knot be tight to the jig. I can position the way my jig hangs by simply moving it on the eye of the hook. The only time I use the loop is when I use two jigs at a time and when it breaks it's always at the loop. Just my experience.


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Once again...line is a preference. Since switching to Fireline Crystal braid (10#) about three years ago; my fishing has improved IMO. I feel/catch more fish and break off less jigs, and after all, isn't that what it's all about?

I use a 12# clear mono leader (~18") because I think bigger crappie will sometimes spook on line they can see, and before anybody jumps on me for saying that, remember....it's just my opinion.


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I know one thing for sure. Fishing with braid is "More Fun". Usually when you get a bite it's like sticking your finger in an electrical socket. You get a jolt.

Guy is know to be a hook setter and I remember when he first started using braid he was so startled by the strike that several times he straightened the hook on the set. clap

Yes I laughed at him. He got it under control pretty quick though.

I wasn't convinced about the advantage of using a leader until he severely kicked my butt one day about three years ago. I put on a leader and started catching up. Now I use one most of the time just in case. For sure it doesn't hurt.


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Originally Posted By: Guy Skinner
Once again...line is a preference. Since switching to Fireline Crystal braid (10#) about three years ago; my fishing has improved IMO. I feel/catch more fish and break off less jigs, and after all, isn't that what it's all about?

I use a 12# clear mono leader (~18") because I think bigger crappie will sometimes spook on line they can see, and before anybody jumps on me for saying that, remember....it's just my opinion.


Is that leader you suggest one of the flour versions like Vanish or PLine? Or is it just your garden variety mono?

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Originally Posted By: ERNEST PATY
I know one thing for sure. Fishing with braid is "More Fun". Usually when you get a bite it's like sticking your finger in an electrical socket. You get a jolt.

Guy is know to be a hook setter and I remember when he first started using braid he was so startled by the strike that several times he straightened the hook on the set. clap

Yes I laughed at him. He got it under control pretty quick though.

I wasn't convinced about the advantage of using a leader until he severely kicked my butt one day about three years ago. I put on a leader and started catching up. Now I use one most of the time just in case. For sure it doesn't hurt.


The first time I have ever used a leader for crappie....fishing (me and a bud) at a known crappie hole surrounded by many boats and the fish were biting very slow....some guy pulls up beside us and just starts sacking them up...I waited till he breaks off (its gonna happen in this hole)...get myself some of his broken line off the limb between us...tie it on the 30# braid (always use it on that hole) I'm using...and I start sacking them...so my bud decides to grab a piece of that line and make a leader on his 8# Cajun Red!!! He starts sacking them also....well we have created a spectacle of ourselves, as we leave every boat starts "racing for the hole"...as we are loading up the boat, we strike up a conversation with the guy we got the broke off line from...He said he fishes this hole quite a bit and since everyone kind of migrates to that place, he started fishing it with 4# Vanish, and always seems to get a limit when no one else does...cause he knows the fish are well trained in that hole and it was the only line he could catch them with....hope you enjoyed the story...When I run into that situation and/or my boat buddy is kicking my arse, i will use a leader!

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Originally Posted By: ERNEST PATY
I know one thing for sure. Fishing with braid is "More Fun". Usually when you get a bite it's like sticking your finger in an electrical socket. You get a jolt.

Guy is know to be a hook setter and I remember when he first started using braid he was so startled by the strike that several times he straightened the hook on the set. clap

Yes I laughed at him. He got it under control pretty quick though.

I wasn't convinced about the advantage of using a leader until he severely kicked my butt one day about three years ago. I put on a leader and started catching up. Now I use one most of the time just in case. For sure it doesn't hurt.


The first time I have ever used a leader for crappie....fishing (me and a bud) at a known crappie hole surrounded by many boats and the fish were biting very slow....some guy pulls up beside us and just starts sacking them up...I waited till he breaks off (its gonna happen in this hole)...get myself some of his broken line off the limb between us...tie it on the 30# braid (always use it on that hole) I'm using...and I start sacking them...so my bud decides to grab a piece of that line and make a leader on his 8# Cajun Red!!! He starts sacking them also....well we have created a spectacle of ourselves, as we leave every boat starts "racing for the hole"...as we are loading up the boat, we strike up a conversation with the guy we got the broke off line from...He said he fishes this hole quite a bit and since everyone kind of migrates to that place, he started fishing it with 4# Vanish, and always seems to get a limit when no one else does...cause he knows the fish are well trained in that hole and it was the only line he could catch them with....hope you enjoyed the story...When I run into that situation and/or my boat buddy is kicking my arse, i will use a leader!
To put it in Paul Harvey's words, "And now you know the rest of the story."


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Originally Posted By: ERNEST PATY
I know one thing for sure. Fishing with braid is "More Fun". Usually when you get a bite it's like sticking your finger in an electrical socket. You get a jolt.

Guy is know to be a hook setter and I remember when he first started using braid he was so startled by the strike that several times he straightened the hook on the set. clap

Yes I laughed at him. He got it under control pretty quick though.

I wasn't convinced about the advantage of using a leader until he severely kicked my butt one day about three years ago. I put on a leader and started catching up. Now I use one most of the time just in case. For sure it doesn't hurt.


The first time I have ever used a leader for crappie....fishing (me and a bud) at a known crappie hole surrounded by many boats and the fish were biting very slow....some guy pulls up beside us and just starts sacking them up...I waited till he breaks off (its gonna happen in this hole)...get myself some of his broken line off the limb between us...tie it on the 30# braid (always use it on that hole) I'm using...and I start sacking them...so my bud decides to grab a piece of that line and make a leader on his 8# Cajun Red!!! He starts sacking them also....well we have created a spectacle of ourselves, as we leave every boat starts "racing for the hole"...as we are loading up the boat, we strike up a conversation with the guy we got the broke off line from...He said he fishes this hole quite a bit and since everyone kind of migrates to that place, he started fishing it with 4# Vanish, and always seems to get a limit when no one else does...cause he knows the fish are well trained in that hole and it was the only line he could catch them with....hope you enjoyed the story...When I run into that situation and/or my boat buddy is kicking my arse, i will use a leader!
To put it in Paul Harvey's words, "And now you know the rest of the story."


Yea, bobcat..the only thing is....I never really find any line shy crappie...that one hole yes, but anywhere else, NO....I mean I can normally load a boat using trotline twine if I need to....I'm just saying...

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