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My understanding is lakemaster got free data for the charts that is from some time ago when the state did soundings. There was no survey. Navionics I saw do a survey. Why didn't you take a sonar shot to prove yours is right? I have the same issue with insight. Old free data when navionics was correct. Their data is more recent and accurate. Also my lake isn't on lakemaster but is on navionics.

Actually, let's have some fun. According to the rules, the forum is supposed to be neutral minded, informative, not a personal website, not a press release option for company websites or one sided false answers to self promote a product. With the being said, I'm Paul, National Sales Manager for Navionics to be upfront.

Let's talk truth on this whole topic to be fair as it is getting quite skued

Doug used to be sponsored by Navionics for years as he came to us for sponsorship. Lakemaster decided to make him higher paid pro staff up to which point he had not used lakemaster but left Navionics for pursuit of a Paid deal. Can't blame the guy for money but having not used it until paid and now asked to promote it, hmmmm. Not quite unbiased and on his own choice. So let's make this fair

Doug being pro staff may not know the inter workings of all charting aspects but as pro staff does his job well to promote. With my position i can talk but deeper info. The inside scoop is lakemaster hasn't had boats sounding these lakes to get this data. The last boats were in MN, WI, Dakotas and great lakes. Also one in Ga working slowly. If i am wrong on a couple then they snuck in and hapoy retract for that lake. This Texas data was gotten for free in most cases. When is the last time someone gave you something free that was worth anything? The data is from free or "possibly" purchased data sources from unknown time ago. Navionics HAS done boat surveys in the last year. That cost money and we did it to get the best data. Again, I'd love to see sonar with these shots with lat long showing its recent.

Yes there are some areas of no data. To tell you why, Reason being a high tree line we couldn't survey over so we didn't fill it in. We dont want to put something wrong. Additionally we did have some areas from fishing hot spots from surveys done and underwater structures that are no longer correct. We dropped that data because it's no long valid. We'd rather have none than wrong. Lakemaster bought that old data. We will update it through freshest data once we get the correct data. We have already verified many of the structures we put in that are there vs many that are not. This also includes corrected coastlines, creeks, road beds, etc... So as we get new information and new soundings we will release it for free in fresh data programs daily. How will lakemaster do it and will they? They are too busy looking for other free data elsewhere to worry about updating old lakes.

Fact, we have significantly more lakes than lakemaster. I'll provide a list tomorrow for reference to all. Do you buy a Tom Tom that only has two counties of roads for directions hoping you only drive in those places?

Let's talk FACT based on all the answers. Our business is charting not a side project after plotters. I welcome any questions... Sorry to be blunt and ive tried to just sit by but no one likes being attacked without explainibg the truth to the other side so you the fisherman can make your personal informed choice with knowing the answers not a one sided sales pitch which shouldn't even be on here truthfully but as long as I get to reply with answers, why not.

I went online and looked at who has what lakes.

This is what I found:
Lakemaster has and Navionics doesnt: Hubert, Ladybird, MacKenzie, Red Draw.

This is what both Lakemaster and Navionics have in 1' contours: Arlington, Amistad, Bardwell, Belton, Buchannan, Calaveras, Canyon, Conroe, Fork, Gibbons, Granbury, Grapevine, Lavon, Lewisville, LBJ, Palestine, Ray Hubbard, Ray Roberts, Richland, Sam Rayburn, Somerville, Tawakoni, Texoma.

This is what Navionics has in 1' contours in additon to the above that Lakemaster does not have: Arrowhead, Athens, Austin, Bob Sandlin, Brideport, Cedar Creek, Choke Canyon, Coleman, Coletto, Cooper, Corpus Christine, Crook, Cypress Springs, Eagle Mtn, Fairfield, Falcon, Graham, Granger, Greenbelt, Hawkins, Holbrook, Houston, Hubbard, Inks, JB thomas, Joe Pool, Kemp, Kickapoo, Limestone, Livingston, Marble falls, Martin, Medina, Meredith, Millers, Monticello, Muravi, Nacogoches, Navarro Mills, Nacona, OH Ive, Pat Celburne, Pat Mayse, Possum Kingdom, Proctor, Stamford, Stillhouse, Striker, Toledo Bend, Tradinghouse, Travis, Twin Buttes, Tyler, Waco, Weatheford, Welsh, Whitney, Worth, Wright Patman... also added this year in Frehsest data: Annahuac, Spring, Aquilla, Benbrook, Bonham, Cherokee, Galveston, Georgetown, Gladewater, Gudelupe, Halbert, Moss, Jacksonville, Kurth, Town, Lake o pines, leon river, Mexia, new terrel city, Palo pinto, Sabine, Keith, Squaw, Texana, Waxahachie, white river, White rock, Brazos, Rio Grande, San Benard, Mission.

Navionics has aside from 1' contours and lakemaster doesnt: Amon, BA Steigen, Barber, Bastrop, Bivens, Boerne, Brownwood, Buffalo, Cado, Cataharine, Ciscoe, Clyde, Colorado City, Davis, Dunlap, EV Spense, Eddleson, Electra, Ellison, Fayette, Fort Phantom hill, Georgetown, Gonzalez, Laguna Madre, McQueeny, Meadow, Mill Creek, Moss, Naworthy, New Terrel City, North Fork, OC fishcer, Oak Creek, Sabine, Sabine River, Spring, Sulpher Spring, Town, Tule Creek, Tyler, Victor Braunig, Walter E Long, Wood, Tarrant, Titus, Parker, Mclennan, Bexar, Smtih, Tom reen, Brisco, Hopkins, Rusk, Bell, Burleson, Haskell, Comanche, Lamar, Johnson, Coke, Wiuchita, Montague, Panola, Baylor, Anderson, Guadelupe, Bernett, Archer, Scurry, Donley, Young, Grimes, Frestone, Morris, Delta, Mitchell, Goliad, Coleman, Eatland, Brown, Bastrop, Ellis, Jasper, Clay, Henderson, Tarrant, Jones, Stephenson, Williams, Bowie, Jack wise, Hood, Matagorda, Concho, Titus, San Jaquinto, Kaufamn, Hunt, Garza, llano, Val Verde, and they updated about another 70 or so i think

There are about

It's open for anyone to post images. Since I had to purchase a New Navionics Premium chart and updated via the computer. I could get comparison images. I randomly picked areas of the lake that showed structure and area's people would fish or I have personally fished in Texas. Best thing you pick ares and post your image and I will get LakeMaster Images so the consumer can compare apple-to-apples of Maps from all brands.

Amazing how everyone else knows others business. BUT I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ONE PENNY of Financial Compensation from LakeMaster. I get maps to use. NO MONEY COMPENSATION. So maybe you need to research before you post false facts. I did not come to Navionics for Sponsorship either. Navionics asked for images of people using their products and I took this picture and sent this picture in:



I got a couple free map cards in return. I also spent numerous hours getting data for Navionics and helping them learn how to collect data with Humminbird Electronics. I spent numerous hours of my personal time scanning Truman Lake in Missouri because of the absense of data. WHy because I got tired of my friends and fishing buddies complaining to me of the areas that where not scanned. The hours and hours of data was never added to the maps and still today is not updated. I was asked by Humminbird to take a look at LakeMaster because I help Humminbird owners alot and need to know all products to help others. After using both products and testing the accuracy and having coverage of where I need mapping in the creeks and shallows where I fish 99% of my time. I made the decision to see if LakeMaster would provide my mapping needs. This was months prior to Johnson Outdoors purchase of LakeMaster so there was no pressure to choose. It was personal decision and having coverage and most importantly was the Exclusive Features of LakeMaster why I made the switch. My decision was not based on money, it was based on coverage and features. Leaving Navionics was the toughest decision I ever made...it was the friendships not the product that was hard to leave but I base my career on representing the products I believe in. Yes there are times I use Navionics and always recommend people to look at both products to find the best product for themselves. I still answer many Navionics questions for others. But I get "drug under the bus" because I made the decision that was best for me for the product I need and use. Navionics has a nice product but it's not about Brand Wars it's about educating the consumer that works hard for their money and want to buy the best product for their use. Some may need both products just like you own multi baits for catching fish having both mapping products may be best for you. Some just want the best product for the lake they fish. Shouldn't they have the right to see a comparison. Just like taking a test ride in vehicle or comparing Electronics it's the consumers decision to buy what they feel is the best product for them.

I don't know the internals of where or how LakeMaster Collect Data but I do know they have scanners on lakes accross the country. I have been asked to participate. They are trained by LakeMaster to collect data. So I know they are capturing data. But other than that LakeMaster is the one you need to talk with on data collection.

Yes Navionics has alot of Lakes but are they complete and show the details you need - I would hate to be using my Tom Tom and the data ends before I get to my destination. LakeMaster is growing. Lets compare data...just like your marketing bulletins that pick which competitor (LakeMaster or InSight) you want to compare your product too...those look like official documents from Navionics? Comparing the Old Navionics to the New Navionics and Competitor??? Look like they may be more biased. It's not about down grading one product or another it's about showing the consumer what they get when they purchase a product from either manufacturer. Let's show them they value they get for their hard earned dollars.

We can take turns...post image from your product and and I'll post from LakeMaster of the exact location and same zoom range. Let's use real fishing situations...I bet 90% of the fisherman are not fishing in the middle of the lake unless it's a hump or point. Better yet lets get the users to recommend locations and lakes to compare. Give us GPS Locations and Zoom Level Range they want to see.

Hi Pmnav12,

Today, how many boats does Navionics own for surveying? Just curious.

Thanks,

Bravo Doug

I come in peace...

Alright fellas, all's fair in love and charting!
Let's not forget that at the end of the day, Humminbird/Johnson Outdoors and Navionics are partners, aren't they?

That's the rumor, at least.
How can we get back on track?
I hadn't thought my suggestion of comparing screen shots would go this direction. Notice I didn't spend a single moment trying to lay up a bunch of shots of lakes not covered by Lakemaster...because that would be rather silly...and transparent to boot...

Navionics and Humminbird are separate companies. Johnson Outdoors owns Humminbird and Lakemaster.

I can vouch for the accuracy of Doug's statement. Both he and I are on the Lakemaster team. Neither Doug nor myself are not paid $.01 to be on the team. Granted I am from the Atlanta area I can vouch with 100% certainty that the lakes I fish are far and above what Navionics offers which I ran for years prior.

The details on the Lakemaster maps on my home lakes you can tell they used a boat to map it out. There is no paper map or chart that even comes close to the details that you get on the Lakemaster chip for my homelakes. In fact there's a blimp on my map that shows a massive tree that I put on the bottom of the lake so that tells me that Lakemaster did the manual homework.

Carters, Lanier, Allatoona in Georgia has impeccable detail that no card, map or chart has atleast that I have found. Like Doug says both here and on the BBC check out both cards to see if they have the data you need. Lakemaster doesn't have them all nor does Navionics. Lakemaster being the newer kid on the block is moving up quick and is already there in map manipulation features and being backed my Johnson Outdoors ($$$) they will only be getting better.

There is no war here...just trying to show the consumers the mapping options available.It's open for anyone to share their mapping products LakeMaster, Navionics, Insight. Let's let the consumer decide which products are best for them.

My understanding is Navionics will work in Humminbird, Lowrance, and other brand compatible plotters. Mike you should know all the brands Navionics work with...are you prostaff or do you work for Navionics?

LakeMaster is now Exclusive for Humminbird just like InSight is Exclusive to Lowrance.

All the Images Posted are Advertised Coverage on the Lakes Posted. If they weren't advertised there is not much to compare because that company would have an exclusive.

Heck I'm open if you want to post images that are Non-HD to HD Lakes. Even thou we were comparing apple-to-apples we might as well put them all on the table so the consumer can see what he gets. I've already posted some that LakeMaster was non-HD like Falcon and Lake of the Pines.

Post your Screen Captures of the Lake you want at the Range you want And we will take turns like we discussed. You go first, then I'll add LakeMaster Images then I'll pick another lake and you can reply with your images. Maybe someone can share Lowrance InSight too so we can see all 3 Mapping Companies and if there are anymore mapping companies bring them in too. I think the consumer deserves to see the differences. GPS Mapping is a Huge Feature of today's modern electronics and part of the purchasing decision when they decide on the product that is best for their needs. Having the best choices of mapping supplier or supplier to meet their needs will help them spend their hard earned money.

When ever your ready post some example of any Lake all 3 companies advertise coverage and lets try to help others. That's why this post was started.