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 Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/04/12 06:31 PM
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Stan Wright
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What's the difference between a canoe and a Canadian?
A canoe will "tip".
LOL LOL LOL
"Why let the truth stand in the way of a good fish story?"
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/04/12 06:43 PM
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Stan Wright
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I always tip my guide. Whether I catch fish or not. They work hard, for long hours, to help me have a good time.
For instance, the guide in Bozeman picks me up at 8 AM at my hotel and drives to the river. He provides the rods and flys, drinks and lunch. He ties on the flys, nets the fish, takes my picture, and rows the boat to put me in the best places to catch fish. No matter how he feels or how the days fishing is going, he has to be upbeat, positave, and smiling... After driving me back to the hotel around 4 or 5 PM, he still has to clean and repair gear and get ready for the next days trip. He paid for the lunches, lost flys, broken rod, gas, and fixing the flat tire on the boat trailer.
It takes a certain weird personality to be a guide. Not many people can do it. Sure there are people who can find fish... but it takes people skills to help one have a fun day on the water (and catch fish). If you are lucky enough to find a good guide... take good care of them.
Last edited by Stan Wright; 08/04/12 06:49 PM.
"Why let the truth stand in the way of a good fish story?"
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/04/12 06:46 PM
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Stan Wright
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The guys were sitting around the camp fire discussing what they would do if some one gave them a million dollars.
One guy said he would retire and travel. Another would expand his business.
The "fishing guide" said: I really enjoy guiding... I guess I'd just keep doing what I'm doing till all the money ran out".
"Why let the truth stand in the way of a good fish story?"
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/06/12 09:34 AM
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BankAFish
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"Some guides charge upwards of 250 for a 1/2 day trip (5 hours), 400+ for an all day adventure- that equates to 50/hr, and no guarantee that you will get any fish."
Exactly. I see no need to tip a premium paid service. I still can't believe I called a striper guide a few weeks back and he said if we limit out in an hour, we're done fishing. huh? No thanks....
Recent Notables: 40lb Flathead, 30lb Carp, 25lb Buffalo.
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/06/12 12:15 PM
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Ken A.
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This subject has been beaten to death. I was a full-time guide at Fork for several years, lived in Emory. Bass Cat & Yamaha provided my boat & motor. Daiwa provided all of my rods & reels. Pradco provided all of my baits. Lowrance did my electronics. My only expenses to fish everyday were fuel, food, maintenance & insurance. So I had a pretty "sweet deal" as guides go.
I kept very accurate logs of my trips each year. At the end of each year I would figure up what I actually made. Charging $250 a day was the norm back then for full day trips, not including tips. That was 1988-1991, four years. When I backed out my fuel, food, insurance, maint, etc, I made an average hourly salary of $10.00 for Four years.
You can work more hours through booking more trips, but I've done the math and I'm telling you it was not possible to make more than $10/hr at the rate of $250 a day after expenses.
Keep in mind that as a guide you have no health insurance, no 401K, no sick pay, no vacation pay, and no retirement plan. Did I expect a tip at the end of the day? No. Did I appreciate and remember the clients who did tip? Yes.
Those of you that believe the guides are getting rich making $400 a day should quit your job and try it for a few years. You get paid doing what you love to do. You spend everyday on the water catching bass all day long. You are your own boss. You fish with wonderful nice people that appreciate everything you do for them that constantly praise you and tell you how wonderful you are.
Folks recognize you at Tiffany's Restaurant and come up to you to talk to you about the sport you love. It is truly the life of a Rock Star!!
Last edited by Ken A.; 08/06/12 12:17 PM.
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/06/12 01:00 PM
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Ketchn
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tipping is a thank you for good service ......
i have been on both ends of this subject
if it was good service you tip them .....
thats just that ....end of story ....
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/06/12 06:18 PM
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piscatur non solum piscator
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It's been about 10 years since I've been out with a guide. Striper guide on Whitney was a putz and did not get a tip in fact almost asked for my money back. Combo guide on Ray Roberts cussed at other fisherman in other boats and complained about people following him. We caught fish but he didn't get a tip.
Black bass guide on Ray Roberts fishing hydrilla in the early 90's was a great guide and got a good tip. Same with Captn Russell in SPI...great guide, one of the nicest guys I've ever met. I want to be like him when I grow up!
Everyone likes to be complimented on a job well done. You can choose how to express it. I'm sure most successful guides understand a referral is of much more value than a tip. Still...I haven't met a true free market capitalist that wouldn't accept additional money for their goods/services.
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Re: Tipping a guide????
[Re: Ken A.]
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08/06/12 06:35 PM
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patriot07
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This subject has been beaten to death. I was a full-time guide at Fork for several years, lived in Emory. Bass Cat & Yamaha provided my boat & motor. Daiwa provided all of my rods & reels. Pradco provided all of my baits. Lowrance did my electronics. My only expenses to fish everyday were fuel, food, maintenance & insurance. So I had a pretty "sweet deal" as guides go.
I kept very accurate logs of my trips each year. At the end of each year I would figure up what I actually made. Charging $250 a day was the norm back then for full day trips, not including tips. That was 1988-1991, four years. When I backed out my fuel, food, insurance, maint, etc, I made an average hourly salary of $10.00 for Four years.
You can work more hours through booking more trips, but I've done the math and I'm telling you it was not possible to make more than $10/hr at the rate of $250 a day after expenses.
Keep in mind that as a guide you have no health insurance, no 401K, no sick pay, no vacation pay, and no retirement plan. Did I expect a tip at the end of the day? No. Did I appreciate and remember the clients who did tip? Yes.
Those of you that believe the guides are getting rich making $400 a day should quit your job and try it for a few years. You get paid doing what you love to do. You spend everyday on the water catching bass all day long. You are your own boss. You fish with wonderful nice people that appreciate everything you do for them that constantly praise you and tell you how wonderful you are.
Folks recognize you at Tiffany's Restaurant and come up to you to talk to you about the sport you love. It is truly the life of a Rock Star!!
good post Ken
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.
- Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Tipping a guide????
[Re: Ken A.]
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08/07/12 03:04 PM
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armadilla
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This subject has been beaten to death. I was a full-time guide at Fork for several years, lived in Emory. Bass Cat & Yamaha provided my boat & motor. Daiwa provided all of my rods & reels. Pradco provided all of my baits. Lowrance did my electronics. My only expenses to fish everyday were fuel, food, maintenance & insurance. So I had a pretty "sweet deal" as guides go.
I kept very accurate logs of my trips each year. At the end of each year I would figure up what I actually made. Charging $250 a day was the norm back then for full day trips, not including tips. That was 1988-1991, four years. When I backed out my fuel, food, insurance, maint, etc, I made an average hourly salary of $10.00 for Four years.
You can work more hours through booking more trips, but I've done the math and I'm telling you it was not possible to make more than $10/hr at the rate of $250 a day after expenses.
Keep in mind that as a guide you have no health insurance, no 401K, no sick pay, no vacation pay, and no retirement plan. Did I expect a tip at the end of the day? No. Did I appreciate and remember the clients who did tip? Yes.
Those of you that believe the guides are getting rich making $400 a day should quit your job and try it for a few years. You get paid doing what you love to do. You spend everyday on the water catching bass all day long. You are your own boss. You fish with wonderful nice people that appreciate everything you do for them that constantly praise you and tell you how wonderful you are.
Folks recognize you at Tiffany's Restaurant and come up to you to talk to you about the sport you love. It is truly the life of a Rock Star!! It is awful hard for some of us to come up with $250, much less $400, to spend on a one day fishing trip... and then a tip on top of that.... In my lifetime, I have been on 2 guided trips.... just saying, all of us can't go down that road.
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Re: Tipping a guide????
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08/07/12 07:19 PM
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LIVEtoFISH16
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I've worked as a first mate in the past. I almost always received a healthy tip; whereas, the guide usually didn't receive one. Tips were obviously much better when the fishing was good and the drinks were flowing!
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