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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: Jersey Dan]
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10/31/11 11:01 PM
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WaterLogged
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I think there is something here to build on. Make it where the boater-pro gets 60% and the non-boater gets 40% and the entry follows the same guide line.The boater has to have more money. They are the ones that pull the boats,.,2-8hrs and will be the ones pre-fishing. And open it up to whoever wants to fish. Or model it after the U.S. open. They fish out there in the heat of the summer. Why couldn't you do that down there?
October is when all the championships are and most of us that play are commited to other trails. +1. I'd say 70% cash for the boater. To tell you the truth that was the main reason why I did not participate. It's not worth it for me to haul the boat, reveal every one of my best spots, and prefish for a 50/50 split. Why would revealing your best spots to a non boater matter, If they had a boat they wouldnt be fishing with you anyway, but against you.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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10/31/11 11:10 PM
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fouzman
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Not necessarily. They could be there for a $150 guide trip to learn the lake and some "spots." Be back in their boat next weekend. Not all non-boaters are boat-less. In fact most are not.
Last edited by fouzman; 10/31/11 11:12 PM.
"Things turn out best for those who make the best of the way things turn out" - Zachary Troy Schrah - a young man with vision far beyond his years.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
#6794401
10/31/11 11:18 PM
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True i guess, But if Im going to get a guide, Im going to get a real guide who lives on the lake.
If you dont get enough non boaters and boaters have to get paired, who gets the higher percent?
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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10/31/11 11:42 PM
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CU-201
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Division of the winnings should be decided among the partners. The entry fee was the $150 per person. The ethical thing to do would be to pay the "pro" for his gas. Because everyone isn't ethical, decide how you want to work the money end of the deal before you ever step foot in their boat. What if the "pro" didn't catch a fish? (Not the case with us, just throwing it out there) Should the winnings be divided evenly? What if you caught two of the three in the livewell, should you get more money? You were fishing as a team.
As far as suggestions: I'm not a hunter, but could hunting season may have interfered a little with the turnout?
Where else besides the TFF was this tourney advertised?
Some people still may feel a little uneasy about past problems with Falcon.
I sure had a good time. I couldn't have ask for a better partner. We had no problems finding fish. We just needed some better ones to bite. The border patrol at the Friday evening dinner was a bonus, especially if you had any fear about safety fishing Mexican waters. The only way weigh in could have gone smoother was if we had of won. I think John Watts of CAST did a good job and I have no complaints about anybody or anything.
Last edited by CU-201; 10/31/11 11:46 PM.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: Jersey Dan]
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10/31/11 11:44 PM
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jwatts77
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I think there is something here to build on. Make it where the boater-pro gets 60% and the non-boater gets 40% and the entry follows the same guide line.The boater has to have more money. They are the ones that pull the boats,.,2-8hrs and will be the ones pre-fishing. And open it up to whoever wants to fish. Or model it after the U.S. open. They fish out there in the heat of the summer. Why couldn't you do that down there?
October is when all the championships are and most of us that play are commited to other trails. +1. I'd say 70% cash for the boater. To tell you the truth that was the main reason why I did not participate. It's not worth it for me to haul the boat, reveal every one of my best spots, and prefish for a 50/50 split. The objective is for a great angler such as yourself to make a non-boater, non-tournament angler, new to tournaments guy, feel like he is part of the "team". Paying the boater 70% contributes to an "I,me,& myself" attitude. I have experienced it in draw tournaments formatted as you have described. Our goal is to bring create boaters & tournament anglers from the non-boater/non-tournament angler group. It's good for the industry, bass clubs, and tournament fishing. Each of the non-boater/non-tournament anglers was briefed on being considerate/compensating their Pro/boater partner! This builds on the character and relationship of these potential new to tournaments anglers. There is a reason for our format. We do understand the other side of the coin and boater expense. Sharing an experience is the objective. The look on Bobby Peek's face and hearing him say "I will remember this for the rest of my life", was worth every bit of time and effort we put into this event. Patrick Starnes made his partner feel like part of the "team"; he was a real Pro!
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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11/01/11 12:37 AM
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-Shawn-
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Revealing "SPOTS" on a Lake like Falcon with such Volatile water levels should not be an issue. Spots don't win tourneys anyway, patterns do.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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11/01/11 12:59 AM
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charlie haralson
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We split everything 50/50 like you and your partner should.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: Jersey Dan]
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11/01/11 01:18 AM
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txwhitetail
TFF Guru
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I think there is something here to build on. Make it where the boater-pro gets 60% and the non-boater gets 40% and the entry follows the same guide line.The boater has to have more money. They are the ones that pull the boats,.,2-8hrs and will be the ones pre-fishing. And open it up to whoever wants to fish. Or model it after the U.S. open. They fish out there in the heat of the summer. Why couldn't you do that down there?
October is when all the championships are and most of us that play are commited to other trails. +1. I'd say 70% cash for the boater. To tell you the truth that was the main reason why I did not participate. It's not worth it for me to haul the boat, reveal every one of my best spots, and prefish for a 50/50 split. Yeah right...you were worried there wouldnt be anyone that wanted to fish with you in your underwear!
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: charlie haralson]
#6794873
11/01/11 01:18 AM
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txwhitetail
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We split everything 50/50 like you and your partner should.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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11/01/11 01:22 AM
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Fish Killer
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Dan they were looking for Pro's. Not amatures to be boaters!!
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: skeeter250]
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11/01/11 01:39 AM
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horseplaydvm
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If you are on the pro side you are fishing against guides. When they didn't have enough pro interest they opened it up to the public. Out of the resultsmaybe 5 of the pros on there made the initial list. If your a "Pro" and afraid to fish against local guides then maybe you shouldn't be a "Pro". Just saying.
Gone Fishing B.A.S. 6/5/47-6/6/12 C.W.S. 9/29/72- 10/17/23
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
#6795022
11/01/11 01:52 AM
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Falconer
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Fouzman well said . I guide on Falcon and choose not to fish tournaments on my home lake. But if it is open to everyone I do not think it is wrong for a guide to fish. This tournament is a great idea for some to fish with a guide or a pro for two days for $150 and a chance to win money What a heck of a deal I can not understand anyone upset about that. A local won the tournament and Patrick does not guide. A local stick that does not guide has alot more time to get ready for a tournament and in most cases does better than a guide that does not have the time.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: Falconer]
#6795025
11/01/11 01:53 AM
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txwhitetail
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A local stick that does not guide has alot more time to get ready for a tournament and in most cases does better than a guide that does not have the time. Its hard to get people to realize that Tommy...Guiding isnt anything close to tournament prefishing.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
#6795128
11/01/11 02:14 AM
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T Gutierrez
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I think CAST put on a well run tournament. With Carl and James on fish care I seen very little loss. I like the payout. Im no pro nor guide. But I think it was fun to compete against all these(what showed) pros and guides. I was in my boat and fished as a pro and were less than a pound out of money on day one. So that alone was a good fealing. I did not pre fish due to time constraints. All it takes down here is one magical 50 yards of water. And its lights out for everyone in ur way... pretty much just like anywhere else. But these fish are probably way heavier. Thanks for coming to town CAST.
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Re: C.A.S.T. Pro-Am on Falcon
[Re: -Shawn-]
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11/01/11 02:14 AM
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Bullet20XrD
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Revealing "SPOTS" on a Lake like Falcon with such Volatile water levels should not be an issue. Spots don't win tourneys anyway, patterns do. Depends on the lake. There's been more tournaments won on Falcon fishing spots than patterns.
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