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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: coachallentca]
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10/03/11 11:15 PM
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tcm68
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From a friend on mine The States I have researched so far (and I will get to all 50) where Game Wardens (Conservation Officer is the new title they like) can conduct warrantless searches on any private property, OR ISSUE WARRANTS are as follows: California Texas, yes Texas Louisiana Florida Georgia North Carolina Virginia Wyoming Again, not to beat this horse too badly, saying you have researched it without showing me or at least giving me the reference in which I can look it up myself. is just more hearsay on the matter. The problam I have with this is people talk about this as if they have unacountable authority. Maybe they are given the authority to issue a warrant without a judge, but they certainly have to be able to go to court after the arrest and prove probable cause. Absolutely in a case when they find nothing in the search, and the citizen sues. Again I'm not saying you don't know what you are talking about, I myself can't say for certain what the exact law is, I just think if your make statements about this, you should have facts to back your statement up, because I think like Fousman said, A lot of these authority stories are myth based on some fact. If they had total ananimty(sp), then regular law enforcement would just get a GW to search a house when the could gather enough evidence to get a warrant. Like I said I could believe that they actually had authority that gives them the power to issue thier own warrant due to the nature of their job,and the fact they may be out in the middle of nowhere when they need it, but it in no way gives them any less requirements for search and seizure then any judge would have to determine before authorizing a warrant to any other LEO.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: tcm68]
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10/03/11 11:21 PM
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armadillo joe
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I have never had a problem with a GW however I did see one make a complete arse out of himself in front of a marina about 6 years ago acted like a 2 year old. Also when I was working partime in a tackle shop had people come in to buy fire extingushers because same GW had took their's and emptied it in the lake then told them to get off the water until they got another.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: armadillo joe]
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10/03/11 11:42 PM
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tcm68
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Ok instead of waiting for someone to do the work for me, here it is. This is from Texas Parks and Wildlife code Section 12.102 (d) Nothing in this section authorizes a game warden or other peace officer commissioned by the department to conduct a search otherwise authorized by this section: (1) in a person's residence or temporary residence; or (2) on a publicly maintained road or way that is: (A) improved, designed, or ordinarily used for vehicular traffic; (B) open to the public; and (C) distinguishable from a shoulder, berm, or other area not intended for vehicular traffic. This is a far cry from what has been indicated here on this post and and by all that easily roll over and asume that law enforcement can step on your constitutional rights
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: tcm68]
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10/03/11 11:44 PM
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tcm68
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I will add that it does though give them the authority to enter any private land where wild game is known to roam. I can't speak for anyone elses house but that doesn't include mine, most of the time anyway.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: tcm68]
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10/04/11 01:35 AM
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Txduckhunter
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Ok instead of waiting for someone to do the work for me, here it is. This is from Texas Parks and Wildlife code Section 12.102 (d) Nothing in this section authorizes a game warden or other peace officer commissioned by the department to conduct a search otherwise authorized by this section: (1) in a person's residence or temporary residence; or (2) on a publicly maintained road or way that is: (A) improved, designed, or ordinarily used for vehicular traffic; (B) open to the public; and (C) distinguishable from a shoulder, berm, or other area not intended for vehicular traffic. This is a far cry from what has been indicated here on this post and and by all that easily roll over and asume that law enforcement can step on your constitutional rights A GW has a "broader" allowance for probable cause... They love it when the general public makes them out to be larger than life or "the most powerful law enforcement in the land." I wish, while you were looking things up, that you had found where it was written that they had to stick out from everyone else when they were on the job.. No one cries when regular PD goes undercover... I've even carried a few of them around during duck season in MY boat when they have asked for a ride. I know black, white,mexican, male and female wardens. ALL of them good people who love what they do. I'm proud to call some of them good friends.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: Txduckhunter]
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10/04/11 01:53 AM
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thenewcraft
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I think these guys (and gals) do a great job. I was stopped 4 times by 4 different pairs one night fishing Palestine. I'm glad to see them out there and that its not 1 pair covering the whole lake. Only criminals fear the law. Great job and I look forward to seeing them on the lake next time.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: fouzman]
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10/04/11 01:53 AM
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Mike_Soriano™
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i was stopped by a gold/white skeeter a few years ago with a yammy 300..i was astonished at how nice the boat was. i actually questioned them if they fish out of it lol. they were cordial and when they saw we were legal they proceeded to chase down a boat with a tv stand tied to the deck(no joke).
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: snmcc]
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10/04/11 02:23 AM
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chucktx
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Sounds like a good plan to me. +1 !!!
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: chucktx]
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10/04/11 02:30 AM
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Bass N Beer
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I've been stopped or boarded several times over the years. Be nice, and have everything legal and there is no problem. I've even got fishing advice. I have had one ticket, which was my fault. When you read the rules/laws, don't add words and don't take away words. I even had one let me go during a tournament. I had a fish that was close on length at Fork. It measured on my stick, but not the TD's stick. I was disqualified which is fine because it didn't measure on the official stick. GW was present and was escorting me to the side for a ticket. I told him it measured on mine. He said lets go, so we went to my boat and I gave him my Golden Rule. He measured the fish and agreed it measured. No ticket. Still disqualified because it wasn't the official ruler, but at least, no ticket. He was very nice and cordial about the whole thing. Fished was released to live and be caught another day. I wish they had more of a presence at most lakes in the area. JMO.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: chucktx]
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10/04/11 02:36 AM
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timwins31
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Sounds like daddy didnt teach FZ1 how to respect authority when he was young.
Isn't it funny how the people who always bash law enforcement are usually complete @ssholes or morons or criminals. . . Or all 3.
It isnt a coincidence. Cops of all kinds are good at reading people. Its a job requirement. I can count on one hand the times a cop has been UNNECESSARILY rude to me. And I have dealt with many many cops, in many many different situations.
People who criticize them usually have zero understanding of how difficult their job actually is. As mentioned above, GWs spend all day dealing with people who likely have a loaded weapon on them. If you dont think that might change your mentality a little, then you just dont get it.
Some people are real good a putting themselves in someone elses shoes and seeing things from their perspective. The people who arent good at this are usually real good at criticizing others.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: fouzman]
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10/04/11 02:44 AM
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The Fishing Physicist
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Different strokes. I don't like 'em. My experience is,they are failed cops,with a gun,and an attitude. Ray Hubbard Lake Patrol is o.k.,but they are real cops,I think. Seriously? Failed cops? Do you have any idea about the qualifications just to get in the Academy? The training they go through? Obviously not. The position of game warden is one of the, if not the most coveted law enforcement office in Texas. TFP
Above all else hold these two things in the greatest of circumspection; government and self. YOLO=Schiefspiegler
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: fouzman]
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10/04/11 02:59 AM
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KevinT.
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Still mad at the GW on Cypress Springs 15 years ago for giving me a ticket for placing my hat over the rear light cause it was attracting bugs Other than that have been checked many times with zero issues. Did have one threaten to take my ex brother-in-law in for drinking too much on lake fork one night @Fork, would have been fine with me i didnt like him anyway.
KT
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: KevinT.]
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10/04/11 03:12 AM
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Matt McClellan
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The only time I've ever had problems with game wardens is while duck hunting on fork. False accusations and wasting my time. 90% of them are great guys who are out there to patrol and protect us and the natural resources. There are also some who are real jerks and it seems their only goal is to cite you with something (one inch tear inside life jacket). Those of you who think there are no bad apples out there must have just lucked out. I have met a couple with little man syndrome on a power trip. If you have a run in with one who legitimately treats you unfairly or is extremely rude get there badge number and name and file a report with the head office in Austin. After a certain number of complaints they are reviewed and could lose their badge or be put on probation if deemed necessary. I was told to do this by a game warden. It's not fair to the guys who conduct their job with honor and respect of others to get a bad wrap because of a few jack wagons. The only people who don't enjoy seeing wardens on the water are those who have been treated bad in the past or are not following the law.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: Matt McClellan]
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10/04/11 03:30 AM
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Dfitz
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I'm sure glad the dissenters on this thread have no position of authority and no decision making capabilities when it comes to the wildlife and/or personal well being of those that enjoy the outdoors. We'd be in a world of hurt if they did.
Only a moron wouldn't appreciate and respect the job all honest LEO's do.
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Re: Sneaky Game Warden's On Lake Fork
[Re: Dfitz]
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10/04/11 03:38 AM
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Claysefus
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I'm sure glad the dissenters on this thread have no position of authority and no decision making capabilities when it comes to the wildlife and/or personal well being of those that enjoy the outdoors. We'd be in a world of hurt if they did.
Only a moron wouldn't appreciate and respect the job all honest LEO's do.
The title of LEO doesnt mean you are an upstanding citizen and a hero. There are and always have been dirty ones. I dont commend anyone for their title. no matter who they are they have to prove that they are worthy of such a title. And yes we have all heard of game wardens getting busted for illegal activities. Do you appreciate these LEO's?? Yes Im a suspicious kinda guy. Not trying to be a smart butt, just a question
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