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Have You asked this before! #6465071 08/01/11 04:33 PM
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Maybe it's the HEAT!,but I would like everyone to answere this after You've put some seriouse thought into it.Hopefully it will be stickied for future generations to gather info from.

What seperates the Fishermen who continually reap success from those who just do ok!I could name people off this forum alone that are successful and I hope they have in put the data alone they apply is unmeasurable this means game wardens and all and those that aren't as successful should voice your response as well!A statement was ounce made We would have never known His greatness had he not spoken!


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Re: Have You asked this before! [Re: Crazy Angler] #6465374 08/01/11 05:42 PM
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I think what seperates me from the True gurus of the sport is time on the water and experience. I've got 2 years and 3 months of seriously concentrating on crappie. So I am one of the ones that do okay but aspire to be better.


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Well spend alot of time on the water is what I think makes a better fisherman first find the fish and follow them though the seasons and go out with a guide is also another way of getting better. But the one think that has help me the most is the CAT club and another way is fishing with other club members or just other people that enjoys Crappie fishing. Get out of that box or group of fishing buddys that you always go fishing with. Talk to the people on this form get to know them ask them to meet you at one of the lakes and go fishing with them. This as work alot for me.

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Experience and time on the water is most likely the biggest difference. The right education about what makes people successful is second I think. If a guy didn't have the time to fish a lot but had time study the habits of good fisherman he would be more succesful than his peers of equal experience on the water. Things like seasonal movements of fish and learning where to look for them is only part of what it takes to catch them. What most people don't do is hunt for areas that crappie hang around. When I go to a new lake I'm not just looking for fish but I'm looking for the places crappie look for to hang around. I've learned a few tricks with my experience about places to look and that helps a bunch. The single most important thing you can tell a crappie fisherman is the depth of water.


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Re: Have You asked this before! [Re: Bobcat1] #6465699 08/01/11 06:57 PM
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I am one of the ones who do "ok". Therefore, I know what I don't do to get better, lol. I think the biggest word is PREPARATION. I know I don't prepare like I should.
I don't:
....build enough brushpiles even when I know it is key. I don't look for new BP's.

....try to find new fish everytime I go out...I look for them at the same place I was at last time , normally getting same results, anywhere from 10 to 15.

....buy decent enough electronics that could make the difference. I think that's the reason some of the fishermen can go from lake to lake without really knowing the lake and do good.

What I will do is try to listen and take what I hear as far as bait presentation and color and where at on the lake..

Here is everything in a nut shell. I will brave all the elements (high wind , 10 degree weather, 105 degree weather) I just don't take the time to build my very own crappie habitats and find my own crappie patterns.

Okay back to work

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Re: Have You asked this before! [Re: pugman] #6465782 08/01/11 07:11 PM
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I consider myself a great springtime crappie fisherman. If I can get to the I can certainly catch them. If I had a boat and the time I would be a great year round crappie fisherman. Time on the water is key. My biggest asset is also my biggest deterent sometimes. I have a 4 year old girl who loves to go fishing with Daddy, she just sometimes doesn't fish and gets into everything.

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I won't say I am a pro or even a great crappie fisherman but I consistently catch fish on my home lake. I think that is the big factor spend your time on a lake close to home, sink brush every chance you get and spend some time working or your results will always be below average. A great ball player is great because he puts his time into his trade. Granted not everyone is as lucky as some to have a lot of time to spend on the water. But, if you spend equal time working towards catching fish than trying to catch fish I promise your log book will show steady improvement. Also something else to note, most guys get down during the summer months due to lack of fish being caught, you have to remember this is the toughest time for once a month fishermen to go out and catch crappie. Any day you go out and catch 15+ fish you have had a good day. My stance on it will always be this, you can spend as many days on the water as you can but if you don't know what to look for or where to look you would be better off at home. Learn your lake and find or sink brush in the right spots and keep note of where and how you catch fish and before long you will put it all together.

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time on the water is important, but does no good if one is not observant, and learns from thier experiences on the water. Attention to detail, Awareness of ones surroundings, and learning to take advantage of the constantly changing conditions and situations that present themselves on a body of water is key. Preperation, and planning are also very important. most people dont even realize a shift in the wind while out on the water, that to me is a very important condition change,. are thier baitfish swimming around the structure you are fishing? what size are they./ did the crappie you put in the livewell an hour ago regurgitate any shad or minnows? Did you notice that cormorant standing on the bank still as a rock? whats he hunting for? are there bubbles coming out of that brushpile your fishing? Maybe its fairly new being its still bubbling and decomposing? was that tree there last time you came, or did it float there? wow, the water level in the lake is 6 feet low, wonder if theres any brushpiles sticking out of the water? wow we just came around this point, and this guy has five marker bouys set out, and he is scurrying to pick them all up? .. Remember .. the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over , and expecting a different result. If what you are doing isnt working, or your results just will not improve.. do something different. If you cant catch more than 10 crappie in an outing, if you dont modify your technique or gameplan, chances are you never will catch more than 10. Fish with as many good fisherman as you can and you will get better if you pay attention.


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OK I'm willing to sink brush. Could you be more specific on what you mean by brush. I have tons of trees/shrubs I can cut and sink. I will appreciate any help offered. Thank you

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Originally Posted By: leanin post
time on the water is important, but does no good if one is not observant, and learns from thier experiences on the water. Attention to detail, Awareness of ones surroundings, and learning to take advantage of the constantly changing conditions and situations that present themselves on a body of water is key. Preperation, and planning are also very important. most people dont even realize a shift in the wind while out on the water, that to me is a very important condition change,. are thier baitfish swimming around the structure you are fishing? what size are they./ did the crappie you put in the livewell an hour ago regurgitate any shad or minnows? Did you notice that cormorant standing on the bank still as a rock? whats he hunting for? are there bubbles coming out of that brushpile your fishing? Maybe its fairly new being its still bubbling and decomposing? was that tree there last time you came, or did it float there? wow, the water level in the lake is 6 feet low, wonder if theres any brushpiles sticking out of the water? wow we just came around this point, and this guy has five marker bouys set out, and he is scurrying to pick them all up? .. Remember .. the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over , and expecting a different result. If what you are doing isnt working, or your results just will not improve.. do something different. If you cant catch more than 10 crappie in an outing, if you dont modify your technique or gameplan, chances are you never will catch more than 10. Fish with as many good fisherman as you can and you will get better if you pay attention.



Very well said sir!!!


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Re: Have You asked this before! [Re: Luziana ROOSTERFISH] #6466748 08/01/11 10:17 PM
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What separates the above mentioned 2 classes of fisherman is one thing...KNOWLEDGE.

That word encompasses a lot of the things mentioned above, and can be gained by many different means. Knowledge is gaind in both successful trips, and complete failures. Time on the water is level 1...quality of time spent on the water is taking this sport to another level. That "quality" time on the water depends on what you think you know, proving whether what you know is true/false, and then what you want to learn more about. And then finally gaining additional knowledge from the quality of time on the water is what will utimately take you to a level of confidence that will allow you to catch fish year-round, regardless of body of water, current conditions, and fish habits.

Once you have the above items "digested", and are gaining some confidence, start fishing tournaments. They will flat out make you a better overall fisherman for more reasons that I have room to type on here. It forces you to fish throughout the year, in all kinds of water, with potentially many different tactics and techniques. The knowledge gained is incredible, but only if you put it to good use.

I could go on and on, but I'll add it to my seminar topics. I'm working with Bass Pro in Garland to reserve their conference room, and will post the date/time once it is set. Will also do one here in Kaufman before school starts.




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Fishing doesn't have to cost much but it does have a price and most people I see at the lake refuse to spend money on good equipment and complain about the price of a fishing license and bait... so there you go.

The other points have already been touched on. I'm still learning and in my eyes suck at fishing but I WILL keep trying and learning all I can, and fish when I can.

Re: Have You asked this before! [Re: Bobcat1] #6466869 08/01/11 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bobcat1
I think what seperates me from the True gurus of the sport is time on the water and experience. I've got 2 years and 3 months of seriously concentrating on crappie. So I am one of the ones that do okay but aspire to be better.
Duck Jerky got me thinking and I am gonna add to this. I have spent time with guides and seminars to increase my knowledge. I have studied this forum and others and read and reread articles by noted pros, attended seminars at CAT. I also go back and look at my notes, pictures of catches, private message and talk on the phone to friends that give me tidbits. It all comes down to studying and retention of what I study then putting that into practice when on the water. The more I study and practice the better I become.


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I saw Skeet Reese answer this question once. What makes the pros better than the average angler? His answer was that they make better decisions day in day out. They have all the same equipment, techniques, etc. but decision making is key.

Of course, good decisions come from time on the water.

In my opinion, the best thing a beginner/novice/pro can do to improve their crappie fishing skills is join CAT to gain and share knowledge. Also, as Duck Jerky recommends fish the tourneys to gain experience in putting that knowledge to the test.


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I don't want to be a pro at fishing or hunting ..

I want it for the FUN

I like taking others that do not get to see things like that .

I used to guide some on the side and got where I HATED fishing ..

I will NEVER do it again ..

NEVER turn your hobbies and love into WORK ......

like this weekend the Cajuns said "man you could be a guide"
then I told them what I just told you all..

fishing and hunting should be FUN for ALL
not a business .

the grin on their faces was PAYMENT enough .....

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