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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: casterbuster]
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05/29/11 05:29 PM
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TreeBass
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What does post count have to do with anything, so what how many times he's posted... He brings up a valid concern and just because he has a low post count means he is not to heard.
I don't care if it's your first post or your 9000+ it shouldn't matter. not necessarily true. You need to consider a few other things, a majority of first posts are trolling, spam, or another memeber cereating an account to get a rise out of our members. LSC wasn't saying his post was "not worthy" due to his post count. Look at all the "trollers" we have rolling thru the TFF. Lots of first time posts or new accounts created for the sole purpose of causing trouble. We catch most of them pretty quickly, but some take a bit more analysing. 
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: HEAVY SACK (aka Crankinstein)]
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05/29/11 06:59 PM
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Sniper John
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I run rivers a lot with a power boat, I speak from experience.
If you are a kayaker sitting in a shallow area of a river, 6-24" deep then you need to understand something about the way a power boat works.
When they slow down to "pay you respect" like you think they should they are going to tear the lower unit or off their motor or they are going to rip a hole in the bottom of their boat. That is the physics of the situation, don't try to argue the point that they shouldn't be going that fast, boats draft less when on plane, it is the only way to pass some areas.
Also, to those of you that have actually been on a river when an airboat or a power boat is approaching you its not like you can not hear it, especially an airboat. I humbly suggest moving to one side or the other so that they can pass. I understand that you have the right to be there just as much as they do, but you also have just as much obligation to be courteous as they do. Banning power boats is most certainly not the right way to handle this. Here is a hypothetical example, although not an exact match: If you hear a train coming you don't sit in the middle of the tracks and try to argue the point of who is right at the time, especially when you have ample time to move out of the way. True enough, the train has the right of way on train tracks, this is just an illustration aid. You should also consider that like trains, big boats don't stop on a dime, and in a bend they can't see you in the way which is why I suggest taking action first since in many situations you are going to be the first person aware of the other.
For my part, I know the areas I travel well, as long as it is safe for me to get off plane and go by slowly you can bet I will. I know it stinks when someone rides by going fast and acts like you don't matter and I don't like it any more than the next guy. The big picture here is that rivers pose a unique situation, and both sides need to be taken into account. Well said The problem with this is that your assuming the only time an airboat has blown past a kayaker is when he/she is sitting in the middle of a shallow wide river. I have experienced quite the opposite more than a few times. It is when I am sitting or drifting a deep hole or section of river fishing when I have had fan boats be disrespectful, sometimes appearing to be on purpose with a big grin on their face as they blow by closer than they should be. When I am on the very shallow wide sections of river of the type of area an airboat needs to stay on plane, I am paddling or floating to another location to fish. Most people don't actively fish in those locations. I could care less if you blow by me there and in fact prefer you do related to the noise. Not all airboaters creat problems, but you have to admit there are some jerks in the fan boat world. And there are jerk kayakers too. It is human nature. But a jerk in an airboat has such an upperhand on how much annoyance he can create with others on the river and the bank that I can understand why so many want them gone from the river, especially looking back on airboat experiences I have encountered or seen over the years both fishing and duck hunting. It is the few bad apples in the airboat tree, not the airboats that I have a problem with. I do wish there was a better solution than an all out ban. Heck I want an airboat myself.
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it"
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Sniper John]
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06/01/11 03:21 PM
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NetBoy72
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: NetBoy72]
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06/01/11 03:30 PM
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NetBoy72
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fyi senator estes who made the amendment has received 100,000 from ms.walton since 2004.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: NetBoy72]
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06/01/11 06:28 PM
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ssmith
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airboats have to be registered and the trailers to put them on has to be tagged so they are paying for the priviledge to use them on the waterways i dont ever remember seeing registration on a canoes or yaks so when they ban the airboats your rights may be the next. unless they are doing somthing unsafe they should be able to enjoy their toys they buy with the money they earn.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: ssmith]
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06/01/11 11:30 PM
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myronja
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also the gas, ice, food, bait, drinks. My airboat only has a 30gal tank thats a 100+ to fill it up and running alot will burn it in one day. Most airboats have a 30gal to 80 gal tank just think of all that money not going to be made anymore.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: ssmith]
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06/02/11 12:38 AM
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KG68
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airboats have to be registered and the trailers to put them on has to be tagged so they are paying for the priviledge to use them on the waterways i dont ever remember seeing registration on a canoes or yaks so when they ban the airboats your rights may be the next. unless they are doing somthing unsafe they should be able to enjoy their toys they buy with the money they earn. That's like saying if you pay to license your car, motorcycle, boat, or fanboats in this case, you should be able to play loud music, or run loud annoying pipes anywhere and anytime you want. It boils down to the big M's, Money, Maturity, and Majority. They generally win out and they will very likely do the same here. The real issue here needs to be taken to the fanboat builders. They need to take noise reduction seriously because as our population grows and our rivers and lakes become more crowded so does the noise tolerance level whether it be people, cars, boats, airplanes, or as in this case fanboats.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Nathan "Bull" Montgomery]
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06/02/11 02:40 AM
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L. C. Clower
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So mount a small jet engine on your jin boat and see how Ms Walton likes it! The real disturbing part is that she appears to have bought some politicians, like Sen Estes from Wichita Falls.
Right-wing Libertarian. Politically Incorrect.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: LoneStarCarper]
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06/02/11 02:51 AM
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Fishin' Rocket
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When I see a bunch of people posting on a hot topic that all have low post counts it makes me lol
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: ChuChu1]
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06/02/11 04:45 PM
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Fish ZoMbiE
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Fish ZoMbiE]
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06/02/11 04:54 PM
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Mark Ray
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Both John Graves and I approve this law.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Fish ZoMbiE]
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06/02/11 05:15 PM
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Todd
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Droyhef]
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06/02/11 06:42 PM
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greggtex
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I run rivers a lot with a power boat, I speak from experience.
*don't try to argue the point that they shouldn't be going that fast *to those of you that have actually been on a river when an airboat or a power boat is approaching you its not like you can not hear it, I humbly suggest moving I understand that you have the right to be there just as much as they do, but you also have just as much obligation to be courteous as they do. * If you hear a train coming you don't sit in the middle of the tracks and try to argue the point of who is right at the time. *big boats don't stop on a dime, and in a bend they can't see you in the way which is why I suggest taking action first
All are here because of their different views, and to say someone shouldn't argue their point???? Then what are you doing? You suggest others move out of your way? Yep, that's the way to handle it. Airboats are the KING, so all others should move:boats, canoes, kayaks, jonboats, rafts, etc... The train comment-are you really serious here? wow! all I can say If this one has to be 'argued' then we get crossing arms, lights, and 'train/airboat' quiet zones. Stopping on a dime-again, I guess the boats, rafts, kayaks, canoes, and jonboats are the problem here, not the airboats. come on To suggest, almost demand, that others do something first is kinda hmmmm, trying to say it nicely here, expecting too much I guess. Because you are loud, others should 'take action'. I'm sorry, have owned a boat for years, just bought a kayak, so can't use my experience with it here, but your arguments are not holding too much water for me. We're all here together. I have a hard time when certain rights are being looked at for banning, and would like to hear and see more on this topic before votes are cast, but we have to all look at this together and consider it, not just from one side.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: greggtex]
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06/02/11 07:01 PM
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_86_
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The Brazos isn't a very wide river in most parts. If a watercraft has no way of slowing down in order to safely pass other watercrafts on a river, it doesn't belong there.
JMO
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: hooksetmafia]
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06/02/11 07:12 PM
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RealBigReel
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A friend and I were kayak fishing below PK one time and I could hear an airboat coming down river. My friend was a couple of hundreds yards upstream out of sight. I heard the airboat stop near him and when they shut the engine off it backfired. Sounded like a rifle shot, literally. A few minutes later they pulled up to where I was fishing. Not unsurprising it was the Game Wardens. This time they never shut there engine off, pulled right up into my fishing spot. Checked my license and cooler and continued on downstream. Incidentally the johnboat (with only a trolling motor) that was downstream from me had about 15 large black bass for 2 fisherman (well over the limit). The GWs either didn't check them or the fish were hidden, and when these guys got back to the launch point they laid them out on the ground for the world to see. That isn't the only time GWs have been discourteous and blind either.
I have encountered jet outboards a couple of times on the river and never had a problem with them, except I don't care for the noise and the stench.
One other boat that I have encountered on the Brazos is the BRA airboat. Those guys don't seem to know what courtesy is either.
As per above I also feel that if a boat can't be driven at a proper, safe and respectful speed it should not be on the river. Wakes don't bother me but a boat passing close by does. And when the flow is 100 CFS or less like it often is boats passing can't be anything other can close on large portions of the river.
While registration is not required for boats that do not have motors in TX, we do have to buy fishing licenses just the same as anyone else. Registration has been brought up several times and has been overwhelmingly rejected by the kayak community, TPWD and the legislature. Probably not going to happen anytime soon. The fees collected wouldn't justify the administration costs.
As for being restricted to near shore in a kayak, my kayak drafts only 3.5" so I can work some pretty shallow water, but I also pedal and paddle my kayak on Whitney and other large bodies of water without regard to how far I am from shore, and even in some wind. I have had waves coming over the bow while catching fish. Kayaks can handle some pretty rough conditions.
I have for sometime wished that PBs would be banned from the river and other small bodies of water, although I never thought it would actually happen. So I called the number up there at the top and expressed my support. Thanks!
Last edited by RealBigReel; 06/02/11 07:17 PM.
RealBigReel I don't go too fast but I go pretty far.
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