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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Martin Ping]
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07/27/10 04:39 PM
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Huey
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I truly beleive this is a combination of things. Genetics plays a big part. Use Lake Bistineau (Louisiana) as an example. In the late 40's and early 50's, catching a 22" crappie was not too uncommon. Now a 16" fish is a huge deal. Probably a case of overfishing the genetically bigger fish. As smaller fish become more prevelant, they also become more genetically dominant. I too am all for a further study on this. What are your thoughts on lowering the 10" to 9" and deploying a upper limit, say 16".
Huey
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Huey]
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07/27/10 06:33 PM
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craigo
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Huey, I posted earlier that it might be beneficial to adjust the limit some, maybe institute a 12" limit of only 15 fish. Stands to reason that more small (10") fish would be thrown back to live longer and grow up. Would be interesting to do a "case study" on a local lake with these types of restrictions just to see what the outcome might be.
 I don't live for the thump, but I sure do like it.
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Huey]
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07/27/10 06:36 PM
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Rob Lay
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What are your thoughts on lowering the 10" to 9" and deploying a upper limit, say 16". A 10" fish just doesn't have much meat, much less some 10.5" fish. I haven't got around to it yet, but I was going to measure and weigh the filets. My theory is a 11" Crappie has 50% more meat than a 10" fish. 9" fish doesn't have hardly any meat, I remember when there was no limit in Kansas, every now and then we kept 9" something fish and there is just nothing on them! Maybe a 13-15" slot?
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Rob Lay]
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07/27/10 06:59 PM
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Bobcat1
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I like a 13-16 inch slot. I think that would almost insure some grew to 3 pounds if a lake had the other ingredients to make it happen.
Bobby Barnett
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
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07/27/10 09:57 PM
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Black Bass Blake
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The problem with a slot limit on Crappie is the life expectancy. Bass can live up to 15-20 years. A Crappie only 7 the odds of catching that fish again is slim since a 15 inch crappie is probably already 6 or 7 years old. I think we should focus more on the 13-14 inch fish. From what I have read a Crappie grows up to 7 inches his first year and then up to 3 inches a year over the next 2 then it gradually slows down. So the 13 inch 3 year old Crappie has the chance to reach 17 inches and 3 pounds.
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Black Bass Blake]
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07/27/10 10:00 PM
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Black Bass Blake
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Oh and besides that. A 13-16 slot on Crappie would make Paul Obier weigh like 0 pounds in a tournament cause thats all he catches! 
"A parent is only as good as they're dumbest child. If one wins the Nobel Peace Prize, but the other gets robbed by a hooker you failed"
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Bobcat1]
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07/27/10 10:43 PM
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txsmoker
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I called the biologist for this 2-d north Dallas area Mr. Rafe Brock ( 817-732-0761 ) and he had a lot to say. he does the trapping of crappie studies for TPWD. as far as gene pool's of crappie all TX knows is the DNA deference between a black and a white crappie. he did say they have hybredized black & white crappie and put then in our cen-Tex lakes. he says all the lakes in his area except Joe Pool are doing great. as far as 3#ers go he did not have any info. he did say we have to many crappie on the bottom of the pyramid and that is affecting the top of the pyramid, he said we should have no size limit to improve the larger fish population....GUY, you need to call this guy...
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Rob Lay]
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07/27/10 11:13 PM
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angus56
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Rob Lay, The scale reads 2.5 lbs. The fish right out of the water was 2.6 lbs.
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: txsmoker]
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07/27/10 11:13 PM
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txsmoker
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Now we all know what we have to do.....EAT MORE BASS.....
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: txsmoker]
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07/27/10 11:44 PM
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KidKrappie
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Txsmoker- Maybe that is the reason that Lake Millwood in Arkansas has so many big fish 2#+ because it has no size limit.
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: KidKrappie]
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07/28/10 01:02 AM
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Ken Gaby
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Guy is right on with releasing the bigger fish. Talked with Lucas Loafman last year during the Belton spawn and he releases all female crappie during the spawn and big females anytime. I started doing the same. I can get enough fillets keeping males when fishing for fun. Based on what the biologist said, there doesn't seem to be a shortage, but rather an over population of small fish. So the crappie are doing fine with reproduction, we're all just looking for that live well full of big fish for the photo shoot. Time to rethink the process.
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
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07/28/10 01:18 AM
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Radtexan
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3lb. crappie do exist in Texas
TP&W do survey's at multiple lakes every "Fall" with traps and nets to determine crappie populations. The survey's are not at each and every lake every year, but they have information for the asking. Problem is that they sample only small percentage's of the lakes and thus some of the locations of the larger crappie may not be exposed to them in their samplings.
I can verify there have been multiple over 3lb. crappie caught (rod/reel and trotline, jugline) in multiple of the lakes west of Possum Kingdom this year and years prior. Why the growth, many of these lakes have been as much as 20 feet low and now have multiple years of being at full pool levels with exploding populations of crappie and other species due to the new growth from when the lakes were low for so long and vegetation is unbelievable. Most of these lakes are murky to very muddy and will not change due to the red clay bottoms. Most all have a slightly akaline base, but few are clear (O.H.Ivie)(Looks where your Share a Lunkers came from this year).
Most of the crappie I am aware of are caught from everyday fishermen that eat what they catch and are just as likely to fish for other species as crappie. Not nearly as much pressure on these lakes and no commercial guides on most of them except perhaps O.H. Ivie.
Another sleeper for 3lb. crappie that most have not fished at or considered, the smaller City Lakes in multiple cities that are turbid, but have a few 3lb. fish. It would appear the 3lb. crappie are growing in less disturbed water, often that have experienced a new lake effect from being full poll versus being very low in pool level until several years ago.
Go WEST of Possum Kingdom and you will find 3lb. fish, not an overwhelming amount, but they are being caught and not always on rod and reel. Check out your local TP&W for netting results. In addition, many of the big, adult crappie were moved by TP&W from larger lakes to smaller lakes and city lakes that had dried up and refilled. There are some really big crappie getting a big head start in with less competition from other fish species for food area lakes that are nutrient rich from farming activity.
I might mention that in Abilene, the TP&W publishes a book or pamphlet with many of the small bodies of water in multiple counties for free, if you would just request it. I have no idea about the TP&W in other areas if they have booklets with small bodies of water information, but it would be worth asking for.
If you consider lakes in this area, you may want to check the hit list for lakes affected by golden algae .
Best Regards and Great Fishing to You, Mud-Dabber Great info Ron......and I noticed you said all that,and didnt mention your had one earlier this year
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: Radtexan]
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07/28/10 01:47 AM
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dwmoore
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It may sound like the wrong way to go but folks I talked to that fish lakes with no size limit say they catch bigger fish in those lakes than ones with a size limit.Darrell
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
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07/28/10 02:23 AM
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MUD-DABBER
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You betcha Roger, that 3.375 is swimming around right now in the lake. I think I told you that I had been fin clipping the largest crappie, I catch for several years trying to see if I caught any of them again. Only time will tell if she shows up again. Some of my data is interesting and some disappointing. Remember the story of a certain lake that had two really huge crappie from the surveys run a year or two ago. I saw a picture several weeks ago, that was an unbelievable crappie caught on a shad baited trotline from a farmer in Slaton that was a monster on that lake and was much larger than the one I caught. No doubt, released to the grease along with the catfish he was after.
You and your friends in the past have caught some approaching or exceeding 3 lbs.at AH when the conditions are right. I sure would like to help with the sampling from the survey's in the Fall at that lake.
Good Fishing, Ron, Mud-Dabber
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Re: Wouldn't You Think...
[Re: txsmoker]
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07/28/10 12:18 PM
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The Crappie Guy
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GUY, you need to call this guy... Thanks, I will definately give him a call today. I sent an email to the TP&W yesterday requesting a bunch of info, but don't expect to hear back for a couple days yet. Thanks txsmoker for you efforts. Those of you that are considered 'long-in-the-tooth' will remember some of the same things happening with the bass in the 70s. Everyone went crazy over bass in the 60s, and by the mid 70s it was getting real tough to catch a big bass, then the catch and release caught on, as well as various state biology work, and bingo, now there are big bass a-plenty. We'll get there on crappie, but it will take a few years and a lot of hard work. If you guys want to 'walk the talk', start releasing your fish over 13" (tournaments excepted) and encourage your friends to do the same. And yes, we're only a small group in a big world, but the longest journey has to start with the smallest step.
"The Crappie Guy"
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