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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: raiderLUVjen] #4690696 04/03/10 01:57 AM
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How many posts can this thread actually get, crazy stuff. Look it up on wikepedia. Very good information. S

Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Pope1] #4692659 04/03/10 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pope1


Jaguars have been extirpated from Texas for nearly 100 years and jaguarundis are exceedingly rare in Texas and are only known along the Rio Grande as it draws near the Gulf. This eliminates these as a possibility.


last jaguar was hit by a car in 1986 north eastish of Brownsville.

Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: raiderLUVjen] #4693883 04/04/10 04:49 AM
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its a its a cat.
period.
feline.
ive got pictures of a hairless yote dog that people said was a chupacabra. but in the end its a yote with mange

Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: bass_hunter] #4697208 04/05/10 05:24 AM
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http://www.kats-korner.com/bigcats/teu.cgi/silentbeautybk6.jpg
This is what I was trying to say and you can bite me if you don't take my word. I have lived and hunted around Wheeler county for about 25 years and I know for a fact they exist.


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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Bassman74] #4697210 04/05/10 05:25 AM
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Black Panther

The black panther is actually a black leopard and these cats are born in the same litter as normally marked cats and also carry the rosette markings. The spotted markings are masked by the darkness of the fur.

The melantistic leopard (the term used for the black cat) is most generally found in the dense, wet forested areas of India and south east Asia, where the coloration gives the cat a hunting advantage.


Black leopards (the so-called "black panthers" ... often wrongfully mistaken for a cougar) occur most frequently in humid forest habitats (Kingdon 1977), but are merely a color variation, not a subspecies.


Melanistic ... derived from melanin, a dark coloured skin and hair pigment. This melanism in cats results in the fur of the animal being very dark or black in colour.


The spotted markings of the animal can be faintly seen through the dark fur, especially at certain angles in bright sunlight.



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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Bassman74] #4697215 04/05/10 05:27 AM
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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Bassman74] #4697228 04/05/10 05:38 AM
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Black Panther
Myth
Reality?
By John Young
Do black panthers really exist? Yes, they are the rare
black phase of the spotted leopard (Panthera pardus)
which is found in Africa, Asia, Indonesia, and USA.
or
The rarest plant
in Texas?
By Jackie M. Poole
Species Name:
Texas wild-rice
(Zizania texana)
Range: Probably
qualifies for the
dubious honor of
being the rarest plant
in Texas. This aquatic
grass only grows in
the upper two miles of the San Marcos River, primarily
within the city limits of San Marcos.
Status: The species was the first federally and
state listed endangered plant in Texas.
Description: This elegant perennial
produces long, narrow leaves that undulate with
the river current. Only the upper portion of the
plant occasionally rises out of the water to produce
small, separate male and female flowers. The seeds
are a smaller version of its commercial cousin, the
cultivated wild-rice. Texas wild-rice establishes in
coarse riverbed sands, and prefers to be submerged
in water about one to six feet deep.
Limiting Factors: One reason why this
species may have such a limited range is its reliance
on the extremely clear, thermally constant (72-75 F),
fast flowing water that occurs in Texas only in the
San Marcos and Comal Rivers.
Threats:With its habitat requirements, limited
range and occurrence in an urban area, there are
many threats to the species. The primary threat is
cessation of spring flow. The San Marcos Springs are
fed by the Edwards aquifer which is the primary
source of water for the city of San Antonio as well as
many other cities, farms, ranches and individuals
from Bexar to Uvalde counties. Several studies have
shown that Texas wild-rice requires at least several
inches of water flowing over the plants in order to
survive. Other threats include non-native animals
(for example, nutria and giant rams-horn snails) and
plants (such as hydrilla, elephant ears and water
hyacinth), water pollution, habitat modification
(such as dams, channelization and siltation), and
over-zealous recreation.
Where Can We View It: The best place to
see Texas wild-rice is in Sewell Park at Southwest
Texas State University in San Marcos. For more
information, the San Marcos/Comal (Revised)
Recovery Plan (available from the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service) has an overview of all aspects of the
plants biology, habitat and threats as well as similar
information for all the rare species in these unique
aquatic systems.
Jackie Poole is a Botanist with the Wildlife Diversity
Branch working out of Austin offices.
The jaguar (Panthera onca), which
occurs from northern Mexico
through much of South America,
also has a rare black phase. In both
of these species the normal spotting
pattern can be seen through the
black. Panther is the often-used
name in East Texas for the large cat
commonly called mountain lion in
other parts of the state. Cougar,
catamount, and puma are other
names also used for this species
(Felis concolour). This large cat
varies in color from light tan and
gray to dark versions of those colors.
Do black mountain lions exist
in America? Despite numerous
reports of black panthers, a black
specimen or skin has never seen the
light of day in Texas or anywhere
else in North America despite the
tens of thousands of animals that
have been killed. There are a few,
old and unverified reports of black
mountain lions from South America,
but once again, no specimen
exists. J. B. Tinsley, author of The
puma, legendary lion of the Americas,
states that although there are
frequent reports, no authenticated
records of black panthers exist anywhere
in North America.
So what are people seeing?
Dark brown and dark gray mountain
lions may appear black in dim
light or when wet. And, considering
that the majority of panther sightings
last less than five seconds it is
easy to misidentify a black cat, dog,
bear, hog or otter as a panther.
It is possible that some reports
may be sightings of black jaguars
or black leopards (panthers) that
have escaped or been released from
captivity. Breeders of big cats,
including leopards, are numerous in
the US, particularly Texas; and
some animals may have been
released when owners were unable
to comply with new regulations or
the animals were no longer controllable.
However, there is no evidence
that this has ever happened.
Could a black mountain lion
appear in a population where none
had occurred before? Yes, because a
single mutation would be all it
would take and that is how black
phases came about in leopards and
jaguars. So thats why you can never
say never. But biologists will
remain highly skeptical of black
mountain lion reports until an
actual skin or specimen lands on
someones desk.
John Young is Wildlife Diversity Mammalogist
working out of the Austin offices.


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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Will Day] #4697265 04/05/10 06:16 AM
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thats not a jaguarundi, jaguarundis' heads resemble more of an otter than a cat, probably a monster house cat

Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: MaroonFF] #4697514 04/05/10 12:39 PM
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The jaw line doesn't look right to be a panther and the head isn't right for a jaguarundi. It's a house cat



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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Bassman74] #4698740 04/05/10 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bassman74
Black Panther
Myth
Reality?
By John Young
Do black panthers really exist? Yes, they are the rare
black phase of the spotted leopard (Panthera pardus)
which is found in Africa, Asia, Indonesia, and USA.
or
The rarest plant
in Texas?
By Jackie M. Poole
Species Name:
Texas wild-rice
(Zizania texana)
Range: Probably
qualifies for the
dubious honor of
being the rarest plant
in Texas. This aquatic
grass only grows in
the upper two miles of the San Marcos River, primarily
within the city limits of San Marcos.
Status: The species was the first federally and
state listed endangered plant in Texas.
Description: This elegant perennial
produces long, narrow leaves that undulate with
the river current. Only the upper portion of the
plant occasionally rises out of the water to produce
small, separate male and female flowers. The seeds
are a smaller version of its commercial cousin, the
cultivated wild-rice. Texas wild-rice establishes in
coarse riverbed sands, and prefers to be submerged
in water about one to six feet deep.
Limiting Factors: One reason why this
species may have such a limited range is its reliance
on the extremely clear, thermally constant (72-75 F),
fast flowing water that occurs in Texas only in the
San Marcos and Comal Rivers.
Threats:With its habitat requirements, limited
range and occurrence in an urban area, there are
many threats to the species. The primary threat is
cessation of spring flow. The San Marcos Springs are
fed by the Edwards aquifer which is the primary
source of water for the city of San Antonio as well as
many other cities, farms, ranches and individuals
from Bexar to Uvalde counties. Several studies have
shown that Texas wild-rice requires at least several
inches of water flowing over the plants in order to
survive. Other threats include non-native animals
(for example, nutria and giant rams-horn snails) and
plants (such as hydrilla, elephant ears and water
hyacinth), water pollution, habitat modification
(such as dams, channelization and siltation), and
over-zealous recreation.
Where Can We View It: The best place to
see Texas wild-rice is in Sewell Park at Southwest
Texas State University in San Marcos. For more
information, the San Marcos/Comal (Revised)
Recovery Plan (available from the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service) has an overview of all aspects of the
plants biology, habitat and threats as well as similar
information for all the rare species in these unique
aquatic systems.
Jackie Poole is a Botanist with the Wildlife Diversity
Branch working out of Austin offices.
The jaguar (Panthera onca), which
occurs from northern Mexico
through much of South America,
also has a rare black phase. In both
of these species the normal spotting
pattern can be seen through the
black. Panther is the often-used
name in East Texas for the large cat
commonly called mountain lion in
other parts of the state. Cougar,
catamount, and puma are other
names also used for this species
(Felis concolour). This large cat
varies in color from light tan and
gray to dark versions of those colors.
Do black mountain lions exist
in America? Despite numerous
reports of black panthers, a black
specimen or skin has never seen the
light of day in Texas or anywhere
else in North America despite the
tens of thousands of animals that
have been killed. There are a few,
old and unverified reports of black
mountain lions from South America,
but once again, no specimen
exists. J. B. Tinsley, author of The
puma, legendary lion of the Americas,
states that although there are
frequent reports, no authenticated
records of black panthers exist anywhere
in North America.
So what are people seeing?
Dark brown and dark gray mountain
lions may appear black in dim
light or when wet. And, considering
that the majority of panther sightings
last less than five seconds it is
easy to misidentify a black cat, dog,
bear, hog or otter as a panther.
It is possible that some reports
may be sightings of black jaguars
or black leopards (panthers) that
have escaped or been released from
captivity. Breeders of big cats,
including leopards, are numerous in
the US, particularly Texas; and
some animals may have been
released when owners were unable
to comply with new regulations or
the animals were no longer controllable.
However, there is no evidence
that this has ever happened.
Could a black mountain lion
appear in a population where none
had occurred before? Yes, because a
single mutation would be all it
would take and that is how black
phases came about in leopards and
jaguars. So thats why you can never
say never. But biologists will
remain highly skeptical of black
mountain lion reports until an
actual skin or specimen lands on
someones desk.

Nu uh, you dont know, LOL

Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Dude Briggs 28] #4698891 04/05/10 06:51 PM
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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Will Day] #4714115 04/08/10 11:19 PM
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Wow what a huge cat. That thing looks awesome though. Cool if it was in fact a black panther.


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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: czoom] #4714709 04/09/10 01:54 AM
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I cant believe this thread is still going!


Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Shep M] #4714788 04/09/10 02:13 AM
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Re: Wild Black Cat! Panther? Jaguarundi? House Cat on Steroids? [Re: Bass&More] #4717434 04/09/10 07:41 PM
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