I have to admit that I don't really understand what this new bill is going to mean to me. I watch CNN, Fox, and MSNBC every day to stay informed on issues. I still have a very vauge idea what is in this bill and what it will mean to me.

CNN reported that someone at my income level will pay less for health insurance. (They gave examples.) People at higher incomes are going to pay more. I have no idea how this is going to work. I doubt that any of the general public really understand what is in this bill. Are insurance companies going set rates by income level? Or will my taxes be lowered to help offset the cost of my insurance? CNN gave no details how they arrived at these numbers. People with no insurance are now going to be covered. Can I cancel my insurance and get free insurance provided by the government? I'm sure you have to have a certain income level to qualify.

Either way some of you are going to be subsidising my insurance. I thank you in advance. I didn't ask for you to help pay my insurance, but I'm not going to complain. Now who would like to volunteer to help pay my mortgage?

The current health care system is pretty effed up as it is right now.
I hate to see us move towards socialized medicine, but I have a hard time believing that the state of health care in American could actualy worsen after this.

We have socialized education, socialized retirement, so we're more used to the process of social medicine than some want to admit.

But the idea of mandatory coverage is a bit whacked, and fortunately, several years down the road.


What this country needs is a good wave of consumer unionism. If we really banded together, our the power of our dollars would effect the best change.

But that idea'll be real tough, considering how much Corporate America owns most all our media.

It'd be the most awesome President ever, the one that advises Americans "Lets all just hold off paying the credit card bill until the outrageous fees are eliminated, or reduced, and the contract rewritten" . How long would a strong message like that take to make Corporate America go ape sh*t? I think perhaps Nixon* said this: "When you have them by the balls - their hearts and minds will follow"


Anyway - Just because we live in Bizzaroland doesn't mean we cant help write the rules....


The whole point of me starting the thread was so's to throw down some premium diabolical laughter anyway.

It's delusional thinking to expect our elected government officials to control spending and this bill does not change anything to that effect. It's more about economic equality as they see it.. where the rich are evil and should willingly share their wealth or be forced to do so by taxing the !@#$%&^% out of them. I predict the fall-out from this "law" will be that many insurance companies can no long be profitable selling health insurance and will slowly remove themselves from that market. If you happen to hear the big five Insurance executives testimonies before the congressional hearing you would know that somewhere between .87 - .93 cents per dollar is directly returned to the insured. Overall the real profit margins are way less then 10% and getting smaller every day. What most people seem to focus on is the huge dollar amounts these businesses deal with and totally discount what all that money pays for in reality. Every insurance company makes money by investing money wisely and not by charging more in premiums then what is calculated to be paid out over time. Insurance companies are really no different then banks or investment firms they make money with money. If the new Healthcare law removes the profitability for insurance companies they will stop offering that insurance. IMHO The only motivator for more efficiency in business is greater profits and I have yet to see anything parallel that in government.

heres another take on the issue: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24leonhardt.html?th&emc=th

One thing is for sure. The $$$ to pay for this White Elephant of a law is not there. Yes Obama-rama will raise taxes on more of the middle than he promised. I already know that in 5 years(oh yeah he will already be voted out)that I will be taxed simply because my employer/union has provided me with top quality health insurance(His term is "Cadillac Insurance"). That is a tax on middle class Americans. All of the retired civil service employees also have "Cadillac Insurance" and will be taxed. Yes America bend over spred'em and grit your teeth, because we are about to take it hard from behind!!!

socialism?????? HA! the mail service, US postal service; that's socialism. The public school system; thats socialism. social security, unemployment compensation, medicare, medicaid, thats socialism. People are ignorant. We've had socialism in this country ever since the minimum wage was inacted, or earlier with the postal system devised by our loveable ancestor Ben Franklin; then I hear "SOCIALISM" for national health care and the old Republican exclaims, "Dont mess with my MEDICARE"
Ignorance rules this country-p-

"Tax the rich, feed the poor, 'til there are rich no more." Governments do not create wealth, therefore they do not raise the standard of living of the people, businesses do.

On health care, my biggest objection is that over 60% of the people were against it, but the eletist in the Domocratic Party decided we didn't know what we really wanted or what was good for us and forced it on us any way. Isn't it ironic that they are called Democrats yet acted like dictators?

when 1% of the people control 85% of the money there is no democracy. The laws that govern us give great advantage to wealth. Allowing the common man a few crumbs is not gonna change anything.I can't see any wealthy folks in a soup line. I didn't hear any Republicans object when the republican controlled congress passed the very, very expensive national drug program for senior citizens; nobody was hollering socialism when that albatross passed. How quickly we forget-p-

Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian... I don't care who you are. The issue here with me is not that the Government is shoving one more thing down my throat (which it is).

The fact is that one of the underlying parts of this load of $H!T says now that the Federalies have direct access to my banking account to pay for this stinking mess. If I happen to be running too close on my bills, and I go overdrawn, the bank is going to charge me for being overdrawn, and the government will have the right to say I'm breaking the law by not paying for my government mandated healthcare plan. You think I'm blowing smoke? READ the entire document. Pay special attention to the back pages.

Just as with any bill, there is a ton of $H!T tacked on to the back pages that has nothing to do with the original issue. I don't care who is in "Power" at the time, they all do it!! The fact is, the people on both sides of the aisle in Washington will never be affected by this, or most bills that they pass because they are on a separate and different set of standards and rules than the rest of us have to play by. They could give a rat's A$$ how anyone else feels about it.

I used to SELL insurance. I can tell you that the whole system is broken, but so is our government. The whole issue behind this $H!T being shoved down our throats is so Obama and the Democratic party can say "Yes we did". They made history. This will go into the history books, and hopefully, without too much more damage to an already broken country, it will have an effect on a broken healthcare system in America.

Don't ask me who I voted for. Don't ask me if I think Obama is better than Bush or Bush was better than Clinton. The whole thing is messed up from the get-go. I don't care who is in office. When I have NO say-so on what they feel is best for ME, something is terribly wrong. For Obama to profess that he is trying to work across "party lines" is flatly untrue. The "Party of NO" has their heels dug in mainly because now, I am paying for someone to have an abortion, which, in most cases, is an elective surgery. I would like to have a few elective surgeries, too, but I can't afford them...

Hopefully, what just happened will solve a problem that is spiraling out of control in our country. I WISH that EVERYONE could have had a say in the process, but that's just not how things work. I don't like the government having their hand in my bank account! I don't like the government telling me that I don't know what's best for ME

JR

Another thing that bothers me. Why arn't your teeth covered under a regular health insurance plan? Did the teeth do something to offend the rest of the body? You don't have to get a seperate policy to cover your feet. Is this a right or left wing conspiracy to try to silence the majority? Why wasn't dental plans mention in the whole health care debate???

My teeth are covered (along with my nose, eyes & mouth) under the accessories rider on my policy.

AMEN!!!

Pearow,
Dude you are way over your head.



What does a postal system that is entirely funded by the cost of postage have to do with socialism? Also, last time I checked my Fed Ex and UPS stock, there was still pretty darn profitable private sector in the mail industry.



A democracy has nothing to do with who has the money.

Im not trying to attack you here, but what you are saying is wrong.

Its okay man; I usually am!!!
I think the lobbyists in DC have more to do with what legislation passes than the"will of the people" vote(money talks).
Public owned mail service is socialistic; requiring employers to pay a minimum wage is socialistic; requiring employers to pay for unemployment compensation is socialistic; requiring tax payers to support public schools is socialistic; the US Postal Service has never been ran strictly on the sale of stamps; it has always required federal subsidies; Fed ex and UPS don't have mail boxes on the side of the road and regular delivery routes across America; not an apple to apple comparison-p-

First of all, Pearow and I are pretty much polar opposite on the way we see a lot of things in politics. I say that because I have known P to get off in left field to the point I just have to close my eyes and say, "He IS my friend, and he's entitled to his opinion." Love ya, Pearow...

You, sir, are sadly misinformed if you think the USPS has any affiliation at all whatsoever with UPS and FedEX. The United States Postal Service is NOT a profitable organization. It was in the news just recently that they're in such arrears, they're looking at closing at least 1,000 post offices nationwide TO START. They're also looking at cutting snail-mail delivery to 3 days per week.

The money you spend on postage doesn't come close to keeping the USPS afloat. They lose money every year, and YOUR TAX DOLLARS subsidize the USPS. FedEX and UPS are capitalistic companies just like DHL.

Sir, you owe my friend, Pearow an apology.

JR