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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Raiderland]
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02/11/10 02:15 AM
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Mark Perry
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.... a 1/3 mortality is off the charts, If that were the case Every State would shut down tournaments completely. For that matter a 10% mortality rate would be extremely high for any notable tournament trail. Sure it could happen under severe hot weather conditions but would be very rare even in Texas. Bazz[/color] Several published studies say your 100% incorrect and that 33% can at times be below average published mortality rates. 10% is below average mortality rates even for catch and release on mild days...... Could you post the links so that we can read them? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Mark Perry]
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02/11/10 02:21 AM
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Lannie Robertson
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.... a 1/3 mortality is off the charts, If that were the case Every State would shut down tournaments completely. For that matter a 10% mortality rate would be extremely high for any notable tournament trail. Sure it could happen under severe hot weather conditions but would be very rare even in Texas. Bazz[/color] Several published studies say your 100% incorrect and that 33% can at times be below average published mortality rates. 10% is below average mortality rates even for catch and release on mild days...... Could you post the links so that we can read them? Thanks in advance. If thats the case,we would be seeing dead bass floating around all the time on the lakes.....I dont beleive it.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Raiderland]
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02/11/10 02:23 AM
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Txduckhunter
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It's intersting to me how subjects such as this tend to divide FISHERMEN. Your not a Real fisherman if you do this.......... Your unethical if you keep a large fish to eat..... Bank Beaters suck.....(took this as an overall consensus)
If you sit back and read this w/out bias, you'll see that it reads as a bunch of elitist whinebags crying because the "trophy" fish are being kept or treated poorly. Ever wonder why tourney guys are looked down on in general or why bass fishermen get the afore mentioned reputation? I don't keep fish.....any specie, any size. I don't really eat fish, of any kind but if ANYONE buys a license and wants to keep it and eat it, regardless of size and as long as it is legal, then go for it. They spent their money on a license purchase just like me.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Mark Perry]
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02/11/10 02:24 AM
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Raiderland
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Already posted at least one published study..... There was a really great thread about this exact subject from this summer with tons of links. Somebody on this site even did a study recently regarding mortality rates and fizzing fish caught deep. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...udy&spell=1
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Lannie Robertson]
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02/11/10 02:28 AM
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fishbug
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proably came from some anti tourney group telling lies just to support their agendas. Much like democrats and the global warming scam I mean "climate change"
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Hunter's Dad]
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02/11/10 02:37 AM
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Raiderland
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Thats study was done during the month of October only, when water temperates are rather mild to cool......
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Raiderland]
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02/11/10 02:53 AM
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E-cat
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I agree that all fish and all lakes should take great care in handling of the bass. I have been to Falcon three times now (latest was two weeks ago) and I see more damage done from "locals" than anyone else. I have witnessed many netting operations going on (Texas and Mexico side) and our last trip we witnessed a local bring in a nice bass (4-5 lbs) to the ramp and then hooked the fish on to his son's line at the ramp and then threw the fish back into the water so his son would see what it is like to catch a big fish. As we were leaving, the kid was dragging the bass up the ramp! Poor fish was a goner.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Lannie Robertson]
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02/11/10 03:05 AM
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Raiderland
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.... a 1/3 mortality is off the charts, If that were the case Every State would shut down tournaments completely. For that matter a 10% mortality rate would be extremely high for any notable tournament trail. Sure it could happen under severe hot weather conditions but would be very rare even in Texas. Bazz[/color] Several published studies say your 100% incorrect and that 33% can at times be below average published mortality rates. 10% is below average mortality rates even for catch and release on mild days...... Could you post the links so that we can read them? Thanks in advance. If thats the case,we would be seeing dead bass floating around all the time on the lakes.....I dont beleive it. Just becasue you "don't believe something" doesn't change the fact it may or not be true..... http://www.bassdozer.com/articles/manns/keeping_alive.shtmlAnglers often believe bass float after death, but 53 percent of those that died were found at the bottom of the nets rather than floating. Fish dead more than 4 or five days often floated, but for typical live releases, fish that swam away would likely be destroyed by turtles and other scavengers and never float to reveal the full extent of post-tournament mortality.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Raiderland]
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02/11/10 03:13 AM
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WaterLogged
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did you read that article?
"In the summer, we recorded less than 7% initial mortality. However, after six days we experienced an average of 39% delayed mortality. Most of the fish died between the third and sixth day after weigh-in."
Hmmm, i wonder why the fish died, they were kept in nets for 6 days, where they couldnt feed and surface temps in the summer are hot, so these fish werent allowed access to deeper water. The same people who were reporting on death rates are those who killed the fish.
Its also a private owned .org, not a .gov. The group is funded by donations, not taxes and has 554 hits a month. Not very credible really, its just a web page full of words with no real facts.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Falconer]
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02/11/10 03:14 AM
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txanlger
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I think if your not fishing in a tournament you should catch and release but if you are in a tournament and you catch a good fish first thing that morning its going to have to stay in there. This should be on any lake though.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: WaterLogged]
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02/11/10 03:21 AM
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Lannie Robertson
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I dont put a whole lot of faith in studys,look at milk and eggs...one day there bad for you,the next week there good,and so-on.I beleive what i see with my own eyes.
Bottom line is "Take Care Of Your Fish" on any lake.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: WaterLogged]
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02/11/10 03:24 AM
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Raiderland
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did you read that article?
"In the summer, we recorded less than 7% initial mortality. However, after six days we experienced an average of 39% delayed mortality. Most of the fish died between the third and sixth day after weigh-in."
Hmmm, i wonder why the fish died, they were kept in nets for 6 days, where they couldnt feed and surface temps in the summer are hot, so these fish werent allowed access to deeper water. The same people who were reporting on death rates are those who killed the fish.
Did YOU read it? If so you must have chosen to ignore this little factoid. Dissolved oxygen and temperature were measured in the nets....
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Bazztex]
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02/11/10 03:31 AM
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FZ1
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Jason Hoffman posted a TPWD study on a Lake Fork tournament and there was 39.6 mortality within only 6 days.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Raiderland]
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02/11/10 03:31 AM
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WaterLogged
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yes, but mentioned what temps and ox levels were in boats, but never says what those levels were in the nets for 6 days. Its summer, im sure the water was 80 degrees near the surface there also.
I did a study too, i didnt feed a goldfish for 6 days....Guess what happened, i had to change his name to Floaty.
Odd how all these # seem to be 39. Im thinking someone was copying someones homework.
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