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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: DuckBoogieman]
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10/14/09 04:44 PM
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Phoenix 920 Pro xp
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I mean for the price, can the weight system and casting be somewhat tolerated? That pretty much sums up the entire business model of H2O. Catching fisherman instead of fish. It's actually pretty smart. They have figured out that the number of fisherman who wish they could afford $20 baits far exceeds those who can. So..... scrape the exspensive R&D and just make'em pretty & sell'em cheap. I mean honestly, why would a company release a bait you can't even cast? They are either clueless (because they do ZERO R&D) or they simply don't care. I belive the answer is all of the above. Now just to be clear, I'm not saying they won't catch some fish. If you put enough mega strike on a shoe lace and chartuse the end you could load the boat. The point is that for only a few extra dollars there are tried and true manufactures who have stood the test of time who invest their money correctly, on R&D instead of on a pretty paint job. these are some of the best cranks made today, the paint jobs are awsome, they run straight out of the box, they have name brand name hooks and they are $3 a pop.you would have to spend nearly twice that much if not more to say the same things about another brand of crank.obviously u havent tried the H2O crankbaits from the sound of your post above.
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: mutantslinger]
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10/14/09 07:05 PM
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Chasin Hogs
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Ya leave h2os alone.let em decay on the pegs at academy. Lucky craft all the way!
I guess I'm the only lucky 1 who Got a "good" one cause I launch my dd h20.
Or I'm just that good.
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: Chasin Hogs]
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10/15/09 12:31 AM
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catslayer
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idk what baits your throwning but the H20 baits will catch fish, big and lots... Yes their deep cranks and swimbaits have so weight issues and yes hopefully they will get some work done on them in future models but I have seen them win several local tourneys... especially their lipless crank
"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: Chasin Hogs]
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10/15/09 12:47 AM
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DuckBoogieman
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No one is hating on your precious H2O's. It just the facts. If you like them based strictly on price then by all means carry on..... I have tried these baits and simply believe there are reasonably priced quality alternatives well under the $15-20 dollar mark, most of whom have at least determined whether or not the bait can be properly cast prior to sending them to market. You must admit castability is a pretty important part of the process.... It simple makes one wonder that if they haven't even bothered to check the castability (a logical first step) what else have they not taken the time to look at. Now, is the finish on the baits awesome? Heck ya!!! That's the point. Put a pretty finish on anything and it sells. The problem is that the finish plays only a small part in how the bait actually performs under water but a large part in the consumers buying decision. All I'm saying is that if you throw out all the performance R&D, all you are buying is the part you can see from outside of the water. Now don't shoot the messenger here. Feel free to have a look around other forums, there and tons of other saying the exact same thing. And just for clarification purposes Mr. Manning, no one said they do not catch some fish.... You may have missed part of my original post. Now just to be clear, I'm not saying they won't catch some fish. If you put enough mega strike on a shoe lace and chartuse the end you could load the boat.
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: DuckBoogieman]
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10/15/09 01:06 AM
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JMWest
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No one is hating on your precious H2O's. It just the facts. If you like them based strictly on price then by all means carry on..... I have tried these baits and simply believe there are reasonably priced quality alternatives well under the $15-20 dollar mark, most of whom have at least determined whether or not the bait can be properly cast prior to sending them to market. You must admit castability is a pretty important part of the process.... It simple makes one wonder that if they haven't even bothered to check the castability (a logical first step) what else have they not taken the time to look at. Now, is the finish on the baits awesome? Heck ya!!! That's the point. Put a pretty finish on anything and it sells. The problem is that the finish plays only a small part in how the bait actually performs under water but a large part in the consumers buying decision. All I'm saying is that if you throw out all the performance R&D, all you are buying is the part you can see from outside of the water. Now don't shoot the messenger here. Feel free to have a look around other forums, there and tons of other saying the exact same thing. And just for clarification purposes Mr. Manning, no one said they do not catch some fish.... You may have missed part of my original post. Now just to be clear, I'm not saying they won't catch some fish. If you put enough mega strike on a shoe lace and chartuse the end you could load the boat. I'm not sure why you're dismissing an entire line of crankbaits as trash due to a flaw in one model. The H2Os seem to be really solid. They run true, good hooks, they have good action, they have a quality finish and they catch fish.
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: JMWest]
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10/15/09 02:46 AM
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mutantslinger
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Occasionally my H2O CRD's will spin on a cast, never a problem to deal with. That is only one of about 21 different models of H2O's. Yes, it's possible to build a high quality crankbait and sell it at a very affordable pricepoint. It is also possible to build a high quality crankbait and sell it at a very high pricepoint. Large advertising budgets, heavyweight sponsorships, etc. have to be paid for. Who pays? We do. It's just another "business model". Based on price, will a LC perform five times better than a H2O? No. Sometimes, many times, we're paying more for the pitch than the product. If pitch gives you more confidence in a bait buy it. If keeping more money in your own pocket is important, use a quality alternative.
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: mutantslinger]
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10/15/09 02:55 AM
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balata9999
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I agree with duck on this one. I exclusively deep crank for about 4 months a year and imo the deep diver h20's really aren't very good compared to other baits within their price range (around $5). The aren't consistent, they cast terribly, and they don't catch as many fish. The shallow divers I really like but not so much on the d.d.ers. DD22's are my standards and Strike King 5's and 6's as well as bomber ffs's are very good too.
I remember when academy used to put dd22's at 2 for $5 about 3 years ago. I would buy three colors by the hundreds back then. I haven't had to buy one since I don't think.
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Re: H2O deep divers
[Re: mutantslinger]
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10/15/09 03:09 AM
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DuckBoogieman
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Sometimes, many times, we're paying more for the pitch than the product. Point taken....
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