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 Confidentiality VS. Exposure
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01/08/09 01:39 PM
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Jason Johonnesson
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I posted this in a different forum and the reactions I received were all over the place.
*None of us want to see our trophy capture become tomorrows "harvest." So I pose this question? How do we keep big fish from being "harvested?"
*Some coarse anglers feel;
If I catch a nice fish I am keeping low key. I don't want a "harvester" using the record books as a menu to find where the big "harvests" are.
I also enjoy some tranquility so I spend a great deal of time and money searching for new lakes to achieve this. I wouldnt want to see a ton of other anglers in the swims when I return to fish my favorite lake. I feel that shared resources would be good, but feel lots of anglers are unwilling to spend any time on new lakes and just want others to do all the work and spend all the money. If I catch a record fish of some kind I would not submit it for the record.
I would argue that "harvesters" would see my record capture as a calling card and I do not wish to see my trophy specimen as a bloody photograph on a "harvesting" website."
*Other coarse anglers feel;
If I catch a nice fish I want the world to know. I want to promote this sport and get others interested. I wish to accumulate as many water body, state, and world records as possible. With these records I will increase my credibility, and more importantly clout, to use politically to get my favorite target species respect and recognition as game fish. I want the governing commission, of the Department of Natural Resources or Parks & Wildlife, to listen to me when I speak before them at public hearings. I wish to be a messenger and promoter of this great sport and do all I can do to win protection for my favorite species in the long run.
I would argue that "harvesters" way outnumber us and have already covered each body of water hundreds, if not thousands, of times. They already know what is in these waters better than we do. How else do we inhibit "harvesting" of trophy fish if we do not promote our sport and use the political arena to get regulations passed?
*Neither of these points of view are wrong. The question is which is the greater good?
Where punters are punted.
JAA
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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01/08/09 01:53 PM
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badchade
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I think courtesy should be paid to whomever is creditted with finding the swim, or whomever tells you about it.
Personally, I don't like secret swims but I like to try new waters and help develop them. I share spots that I find (with folks I know or speak to in person), but if I am introduced to a new swim, I ask the person who shared it with me how they feel about me sharing it with others, and I always respect their wishes by keeping it within the circle that knows about it.
I can see both sides of the argument, so I can see a need for balance; but as one who wants to see our Sport grow, I would like to be as open as possible about when and where I fish.
I think the biggest reason for some of the secrecy that persists with some of our guys goes back to what happened at G-Vine a few years back. The perceived need to keep some swims secret is not without a reason, but when Old School Brigadiers keep swims from each other- It's gone too far.
Chad
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: badchade]
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01/08/09 03:53 PM
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fiSherwood
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I don't like the idea of losing trophy fish to the 'harvesters', but I also don't like the idea of hiding my fishing spots. I'm with Chad on that. I will also first ask the person who shared a spot with me if it is ok to share with others. One think I love about C&R is I have a chance at catching a trophy that someone else already has, and can catch a fish more than once! Some have mentioned (on other forums) that carp are everywhere, but in my local area they are not so abundant. (else I'm just a poor carp fisher!  )
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: fiSherwood]
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01/08/09 04:27 PM
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Rich Somerville
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Low key all the way! Work hard find the lakes and share with close friends. Personally I get a little sick of guys sucking of my titties.
Let the Carp haters do there own work.
Last edited by cubfan; 01/08/09 04:47 PM.
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Rich Somerville]
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01/08/09 04:36 PM
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Bubbadass1
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 i like sharing with others "newbies".....to promote the sport.......but i can see both sides.
"fishing is my drug" bubba common 20.01 and growing buffalo 37.5*** and growing flathead 33.06 
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Bubbadass1]
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01/08/09 04:50 PM
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Rich Somerville
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i like sharing with others "newbies".....to promote the sport.......but i can see both sides. I agree with you to an extent, but feel some info needs to be kept secret. Lots of guys like to stroke there ego and will post all the details about the Lake. This can be used as a menu of carp by the moron Trash can fillers.
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Rich Somerville]
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01/08/09 05:01 PM
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Bubbadass1
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yea.....your right richard......cause if i were a moron Trash can fillers i would keep an eye in this section to see where to go.....good point.maybe we should leave our locations to pm's only?
"fishing is my drug" bubba common 20.01 and growing buffalo 37.5*** and growing flathead 33.06
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Bubbadass1]
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01/08/09 06:09 PM
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LoneStarCarper
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my take is share alot.....but always keep a little something back
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Rich Somerville]
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01/08/09 07:41 PM
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Tracy S
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Low key all the way! Work hard find the lakes and share with close friends. Personally I get a little sick of guys sucking of my titties.
Let the Carp haters do there own work.
LOL Richard. I hope many guys arent sucking on your titties lol.
Crappie 2lbs 9oz
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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01/08/09 09:17 PM
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I posted this in a different forum and the reactions I received were all over the place.
*None of us want to see our trophy capture become tomorrows "harvest." So I pose this question? How do we keep big fish from being "harvested?"
*Some coarse anglers feel;
If I catch a nice fish I am keeping low key. I don't want a "harvester" using the record books as a menu to find where the big "harvests" are.
I also enjoy some tranquility so I spend a great deal of time and money searching for new lakes to achieve this. I wouldnt want to see a ton of other anglers in the swims when I return to fish my favorite lake. I feel that shared resources would be good, but feel lots of anglers are unwilling to spend any time on new lakes and just want others to do all the work and spend all the money. If I catch a record fish of some kind I would not submit it for the record.
I would argue that "harvesters" would see my record capture as a calling card and I do not wish to see my trophy specimen as a bloody photograph on a "harvesting" website."
*Other coarse anglers feel;
If I catch a nice fish I want the world to know. I want to promote this sport and get others interested. I wish to accumulate as many water body, state, and world records as possible. With these records I will increase my credibility, and more importantly clout, to use politically to get my favorite target species respect and recognition as game fish. I want the governing commission, of the Department of Natural Resources or Parks & Wildlife, to listen to me when I speak before them at public hearings. I wish to be a messenger and promoter of this great sport and do all I can do to win protection for my favorite species in the long run.
I would argue that "harvesters" way outnumber us and have already covered each body of water hundreds, if not thousands, of times. They already know what is in these waters better than we do. How else do we inhibit "harvesting" of trophy fish if we do not promote our sport and use the political arena to get regulations passed?
*Neither of these points of view are wrong. The question is which is the greater good?
Jason Don't be disheartened by the response that you received over at the uscarppro forum.  You have to remember we are trying to bring guys from all walks of life to that forum with a common bond ..... Carp fishing.... Now some of these guys are never going to carp fish the way Europeans do, they have no interest in doing so, and quite frankly I wouldn't try and push it on them...The CAG have done that for years with guys that go there, it don't work they leave and don't come back. Likewise there are many guys who hunt, you will never chnage their minds on the bow deal, it isn't worth trying, we just need to continue promoting the sport in the best way possible, leave the politics aside, and hope that we can influence enough guys that in the long run we are taken a little more seriously. Don't forget that we have guys who are just as bad on our side of the fence, guys who flaunt the law, guys who break the laws of their state and brazingly post about doing so on public forums etc. We don't need others bringing Big brothers eyes on us!! I applaud you for what you are planning, I hope it is a rip roaring success, but there are many ways to achieve what you are looking for without upsetting the applecart. quite a lot can be achieved with baby steps, in fact often more than great big stomping strides!!!
CAG - Same chit different coating
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Scorpion]
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01/08/09 11:03 PM
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Fishinkev
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i beleive if u want to be a secret keeper then u dont belong in a group such as the LONESTAR CARP BRIGADE. This being said, i dont tell or say what i'm asked not to. o, and just so everyone knows if u tell me, then u are telling chris. i wont keep a lake from him. i was recently told that i was notorious for describing everything about a trip such as location, baits, and stuff like that and i wont change.i got in this group for the camaraderie and fishing not for politics like this.
Last edited by fishinkev; 01/08/09 11:05 PM.
I dont fish for a living but i LIVE TO FISH!
Kevin
PB Largemouth Bass 12lb 2oz
PB Crappie. 3.01lb
PB Striper 23lb
PB Hybrid 7.02lb
Pb buffalo 49.4lb
Pb carp 26.14
Pb flathead 57lb
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Scorpion]
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01/08/09 11:05 PM
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Jason Johonnesson
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Last edited by texasbuffaloadventures; 01/09/09 09:55 AM.
Where punters are punted.
JAA
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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01/09/09 12:26 AM
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Jason Johonnesson
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Last edited by texasbuffaloadventures; 01/09/09 09:54 AM.
Where punters are punted.
JAA
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Re: Confidentiality VS. Exposure
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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01/09/09 07:46 AM
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Meadowlark
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The last thing I want to do is unite a wide group of people. I am looking for the cream of the crop to set the example of what a sportsman should be.
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I would rather have a group of 10 "gentleman anglers" than a group of 10,000 casino anglers.
To say that one species is greater than the other is the very definition of elitism and that is an image I wish to avoid.
...Some people just haven't been taught any better.
To a casual reader(but very experienced angler) such as myself, the contradictions scream volumes....and portray the very image you state you wish to avoid.
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