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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26218 05/29/04 04:55 AM
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sounds a bit over the top to me....give the bow fishermen something to shoot at...LOL laugh

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I'm not callin anything a gamefish ultill you can catch them on a spinnerbait consistantly!



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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26220 05/29/04 06:05 AM
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LOL lakeguide! laugh

Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26221 05/29/04 08:44 AM
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"Let's not jump into a cause just because it sounds good - let's look into it first."

Agreed. Please do some research on these fish. The more educated Texas anglers become on these awesome fish the better.

Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26222 05/30/04 09:42 PM
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Lakeguide, that was funny. I don't call anything a gamefish unless it is over 50lbs!! laugh laugh laugh

Anything over 100lbs I call incredible. wink



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I will sign it !! i fully agree. i know this will get you but i truely do think more of texas wildlife needs to be protected ,,,, even reptiles [RATLESNAKES] !!!!!!!!


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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26224 05/31/04 12:32 AM
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This is the reason I continue to visit this site all the time.This is a great topic as for as I am concerned.Just 2 years ago on a trip down to Dallas in the middle of the dog days of summer I did not even bring my fishing gear because the friend I was going to visit said the fishing was just awful.Now to make a long story short when I Arrived down there I was visiting another fellow fisherman that wanted to know if I was going to be in town long enough for a fishing trip.He took us out to the power plant on Ray Hubbard and we flat out tore the gar up in the discharge area.I was amazed how these fish fight,some of them jump out of the water 4 or 5 times and we constantly had 20lb. test ripped and broke off,so dont knock till you try it. Sorry for the long post guys.

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gar are the best fish in the world... esp since you can catch them with a dish rag!


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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26226 05/31/04 08:13 PM
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Maybe we could get TPWD to sell us a Gar fishing stamp for our liscenes or maybe get them declared an endangered species like the cormorant then they could go merrily along their way eating game fish.There are too many of them to make them a game fish,find another cause


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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26227 05/31/04 09:35 PM
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Thanks for continuing the untrue myth about alligator gar. Studies have shown their main diet is shad, drum and a small amount of catfish, not bass or other gamefish.

Where are the facts that state they eat a large amount of gamefish? Could it be that we have been told this all of these years and without proof we have to believe it is true? confused



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Hey Parkenstein,I know the Alligator is a real pickey eater and would not dare touch a Bass or crappie and I also know that a cormorant wouldn't either.I also write to Santa every year as I have done for 60 years.Even you don't beleive that


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The problem is...as is with so many creatures, that there is a group of people out there with an unexplainable urge to "Kill" something...just so's they can look at it, and brag about how big it was. There is always some lame excuse given about how dangerous it is, or how many fish, or sheep or calves it kills, etc...etc...

This is true!........I know it!........you know it!.......we all know it!

Now before any of you start jumpin' on me, Yes...I am a hunter. But for instance, would I shoot a mountain lion? Lord no! Why would I destroy such a beautiful creature? Just to LOOK at it? And Brag about it? That's pretty low thinking in my book.

I also don't kill snakes for no reason. I also won't kill an alligator snapping turtle or a softshell (Less it's for supper).

I'm not taking sides on the gamefish issue cause I don't know the numbers, I tend to dislike government regulation. But then again...the commercial use of OUR waterways is something ALL of us should be vigilant over.


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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26230 06/01/04 02:52 AM
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Alligator gar: Help for a long-lived leviathan

Growing to 13 feet, 300 pounds, the behemoths have suffered from changes in habitat and an unfair reputation as a threat to game fish

By Craig Springer
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They're outcasts, much maligned and misunderstood. Despite tremendous sportfishing potential, the alligator gar has suffered in the court of public opinion.

Growing to 13 feet and 300 pounds with a penchant for fish fare, these behemoths have gained an unfair reputation as a nuisance, a threat to game fish.

But it's truly an unfair perception, according to Kerry Graves, manager of Tishomingo National Fish Hatchery in Oklahoma.

"Alligator gar eat rough fish. They eat sick fish easily caught," said Graves.

"Game fish benefit from the gar's eating habits. If anything, game fish suffer from the same thing that plagues alligator gar poor habitat."

Alligator gar are a species in decline, in need of restoration, and there's an information gap that needs filled.
Kerry Graves

Alligator gar are a big-river fish, a top of the food chain predator once found through the Mississippi River and the lower end of its tributaries.

Its range has shrunk. Meandering rivers have been turned into sand-bottom trapezoidal channels devoid of habitat. Spring floods no longer pour into the bottomlands where alligator gar spawn.

"Alligator gar are a species in decline, in need of restoration, and there's an information gap that needs filled," said Graves.

Ricky Campbell at Private John Allen National Fish Hatchery in Mississippi agrees:

"There's a lot we need to know about this species. We still need to learn the basic information, like techniques for spawning, holding and rearing things well known for other fishes."


Gary Wyatt, Tishomingo National Fish Hatchery, hangs on to a 110-pound alligator gar from Oklahoma's Red River.
Between the expertise at Tishomingo and Private John Allen hatcheries, the information gap is closing. They've spawned alligator gar three times and put young fish on feed, but that's just a start.

Fish from Private John Allen have already been stocked in the wild for a restoration project in Tennessee.

The alligator, the largest of all gar, get their name from their distinctive, reptilian head. They can be distinguished from all other gar species by the two rows of teeth in the upper jaw, their short, broader snout and their size when fully grown.

Gars most closely resemble the species in the pike family muskies, Northern pike, chain pickerel in body shape and fin placement, but gars have rounded tails, not forked.

Alligator gar, targeted by anglers and archers alike, are edible but hardly considered a food fish. When eaten, their meat is normally served smoked. Alligator gar roe is poisonous, to birds, animals, and humans, but safe for other fish to eat. There is very little commercial interest in this fish.

Alan Peterson, a biologist with the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, sought assistance from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service with alligator gar.

"If it wasn't for the Fish and Wildlife Service, there would be no restoration project," said Peterson. "They are the project; we just tell them where to stock the fish."

More than 200 alligator gar were stocked in the Obion River in 1999. It's too soon to know if these long-lived fish survived, let alone reached maturity.


For alligator gar conservation to get traction, partnerships between agencies are a necessity. An unusual partnership with the private sector has proved essential in Oklahoma.

Anglers familiar with alligator gar are gathering data and tagging big adults they catch and release under the guidance of Brent Bristow, at the Oklahoma Fishery Resources Office, an arm of the Fish and Wildlife Service.

The anglers also have helped bring alligator gar to the Tishomingo hatchery. Graves and his staff are engaged in age and growth studies and trying to determine optimal culture conditions.

Alligator gar conservation typifies putting scientific know-how and partnerships to work. Early intervention bodes well for these leviathans of lazy rivers.

Craig Springer is a fishery biologist with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in the Southwest Region. He covers 17 field stations that work with anything from paddlefish in the Mississippi to rare Apache trout in the Arizona high country. Springer can be reached at craig_springer@fws.gov or (505) 248-6867.


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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26231 06/01/04 04:00 AM
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Still, will they hit a spinnerbait?



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Re: Alligator Gar Status As Game Fish #26232 06/01/04 05:46 AM
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Lakeguide - YES! They will hit a spinner bait. Especially, shad looking ones. If they do take your spinner bait, let them run for a few seconds, they give it a good hook set and try to get them hooked in the corner of their mouth.

KUJO - You've done some research! Thank you for posting that data. VERY informative. smile

WillieG - "There are too many of them to make them a game fish." What makes you think that? I wonder if you've witnessed Longnose or Spotted Gar feeding/spawning swarms? I've witnessed a few spots where there must have been hundreds stacked up. But when I spot Alligator Gar, it's usually only 1 or at the most a few of them together.

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