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Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: Texas Smoke] #2440602 07/09/08 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Texas Smoke
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I will be out on that schedule. To many trips to East Texas. With gas prices as high as they are that group of lakes makes no since for me to fish. My closest event is more than 2 hours. But if you live in Tyler then they are closer to home. I do not see the need to have two trails in East Texas. When the trail was the Chaparral Division it averaged more boats than it does now. They might as well call them East Texas trails 1 and 2 and then have a fish off between the 2 divisions. I really feel if they would have kept this event in North Texas it would have carried more boats. Fishing Lakes like Lewisville, Grapevine, Ray Hubbard, Lavon, Ray Roberts. Keeping the trail close to a major population I think would have helped.


DFW has had it's chance to make a showing at these tournaments or those like them.............. and they failed. The tournament organizations took note and have moved on.


Oh yea and the trail really grew this year. The numbers got worse and next year I am afraid they will do the same. For some reason everyone keeps saying that but no trail has ever held all the events in the DFW area. Cedar Creek, Chambers, Palestine, Bob Sandlin, Cypres Spring, Lake Fork, Lake Tawakoni are not DFW area Lakes. There is generally only one event held in the DFW area and it is Lewisville most of the time sometimes it is Ray Hubbard after that they are all way East of the DFW area. If they would put more than one on the list it might get more attention from the guys on the West side of the DFW area. The original point I am making is they should just have on trail and spread it all over east Texas since thats the only place they want to hold an events. BUt hear are some lakes that should be on a DFW area trail if that is what they want to call it that. Please list me a BFL or Weekend series that had more than on of these areas lakes. There might have been one if so I missed it.

Eagle Mountain
Lewisville
Ray Hubbard
Lake Lavon
Lake Worth
Ray Roberts if they lift the slot.


Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: ckinout] #2440661 07/09/08 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: ckinout
The BWS 2009 schedule posted here was a proposed scheduled Porter sent in for review & comparison w/ other trails to avoid conflicts. Its hard to schedule around other events & holidays when there are so many events to schedule (running 5 divisions). I spoke w/ Porter & the Sept. 5/6 is going to probably be changed (I think to late August).

As for there being 2 TX East divisions – the Sam Rayburn anglers won’t leave the area (Rayburn & Toledo Bend) & we’re steadily growing in that division, but we recognize the need to enter the northeast area as well. We don’t get into the DFW area b/c angler polling has indicated preference to stay around Tyler (hoping DFW anglers will travel).

We hope the $5,000 guaranteed 1st place will attract more anglers for 2009 & look forward to another year.


I have never seen this polling. Who did you ask and when? Please put the poll on here. The largest fishing forum on the planet. If you want DFW anglers then the DFW anglers should get atleast two tournaments in the DFW area or most are going to stay home. There should also be an offlimits the week before if the event is going to be on Saturday. If this is a weekender series then give the guys who have to work until 5:00 a chance instead of letting those that can practice all week. If you do not want offlimits then move it back to sunday.

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You dont consider Texoma a DFW lake...only an hour away?


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Originally Posted By: Flwdonater
You dont consider Texoma a DFW lake...only an hour away?


If you look at it that way So is Hubbard Creek and Whitney


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Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: KevinT.] #2440755 07/09/08 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Flwdonater
You dont consider Texoma a DFW lake...only an hour away?


No, I do not and Texoma is only an hour away from the North end of the DFW area.

Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: TIM CLINE] #2440771 07/09/08 09:40 PM
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You dont consider Texoma a DFW lake...only an hour away?


No, I do not and Texoma is only an hour away from the North end of the DFW area.


That was my point too


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Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: TIM CLINE] #2440787 07/09/08 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: TIM CLINE
Originally Posted By: Texas Smoke
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I will be out on that schedule. To many trips to East Texas. With gas prices as high as they are that group of lakes makes no since for me to fish. My closest event is more than 2 hours. But if you live in Tyler then they are closer to home. I do not see the need to have two trails in East Texas. When the trail was the Chaparral Division it averaged more boats than it does now. They might as well call them East Texas trails 1 and 2 and then have a fish off between the 2 divisions. I really feel if they would have kept this event in North Texas it would have carried more boats. Fishing Lakes like Lewisville, Grapevine, Ray Hubbard, Lavon, Ray Roberts. Keeping the trail close to a major population I think would have helped.


DFW has had it's chance to make a showing at these tournaments or those like them.............. and they failed. The tournament organizations took note and have moved on.


Oh yea and the trail really grew this year. The numbers got worse and next year I am afraid they will do the same. For some reason everyone keeps saying that but no trail has ever held all the events in the DFW area. Cedar Creek, Chambers, Palestine, Bob Sandlin, Cypres Spring, Lake Fork, Lake Tawakoni are not DFW area Lakes. There is generally only one event held in the DFW area and it is Lewisville most of the time sometimes it is Ray Hubbard after that they are all way East of the DFW area. If they would put more than one on the list it might get more attention from the guys on the West side of the DFW area. The original point I am making is they should just have on trail and spread it all over east Texas since thats the only place they want to hold an events. BUt hear are some lakes that should be on a DFW area trail if that is what they want to call it that. Please list me a BFL or Weekend series that had more than on of these areas lakes. There might have been one if so I missed it.

Eagle Mountain
Lewisville
Ray Hubbard
Lake Lavon
Lake Worth
Ray Roberts if they lift the slot.


I'm not saying I am not gonna fish them next year but I have to agree with Tim on this. You show me where a larger circuit has fished more than one true DFW area lake in a season. Take a look at the trails that fish in our areas and you'll find out that they have the best attendance of any division in that trail. Makes no sense not to come here when we have some of the best and highest selling boat dealers from all manuafacturers right here. We support 2 BPS, a Cabelas, a few Dicks Sporting Goods, A few Sports Authority stores and a ton of Academy stores. Obviously the customer base is here if someone will come. I'm not crying because they don't come here I'm just saying lets be honest and admit this area has not been given the events to support. Also like Tim said I'd like to know when and where this polling took place. This is not a bash of the Weekend Series or Porter at all. Just a question from a possible customer.

Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: Mark Perry] #2440967 07/09/08 10:38 PM
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In 2007 the BWS had events at Lewisville (36 boats) & Ray Hubbard (26 boats). This year our numbers were considerably better than 2007. While we would have hoped for more, we are optimistic that the numbers will continue to grow. Especially with the $5,000 guaranteed 1st place.

Also, the Texas SE (Sam Rayburn area), averaged 80 boats per event (almost double from last year).

In 2007 we polled anglers that fished the events (at the 3rd and/or 4th tournament) and the majority wanted the lakes that are on the schedule.

I hope the price of fuel will come down & it wont be such a burden on the anglers & we look forward to seeing the return of, and many additional, anglers for 2009.



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Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: ckinout] #2441017 07/09/08 10:54 PM
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I totally agree with Tim on a few of his points, especially the one about having an off limits period for the week leading up to the event.

Not to mention any names, but just fishing the events I have, there are guys who are spending 2-3-4 days down there before the event pre-fishing.

I'd be stoked to have a few DFW Lakes added. Hell, look what Grapevine has been turning out the last 3 months (weight wise) during the ABA BPS Events!


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Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: ckinout] #2441074 07/09/08 11:12 PM
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When did you start the 5,000 first place prize? Those 2 events also happened to be the last 2 of year and those are always your smallest events. If your going to look at 07 then lets look at 06 we averaged over 60 boats an event. That was with one DFW lake and it was Lewisville. The longest trip was to Chambers. Now you want us to drive 2 hours to fish every event. Like I said before if that is were you want to hold your events thats fine but please do not blame lack of support in the DFW area. I do not even live in the DFW area I have to drive to fish any of them anyway. You have to admit last year the transition was not very smooth and that left a lot of anglers unsure about what was going happen. I like fishing the trail and if gas is not so darn expensive and you actually have an offlimits the week before the events next year I might fish. I will say it again if you are going to hold the event on Sat. then the lake should be offlimits all week.

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Originally Posted By: TIM CLINE
When did you start the 5,000 first place prize? Those 2 events also happened to be the last 2 of year and those are always your smallest events. If your going to look at 07 then lets look at 06 we averaged over 60 boats an event. That was with one DFW lake and it was Lewisville. The longest trip was to Chambers. Now you want us to drive 2 hours to fish every event. Like I said before if that is were you want to hold your events thats fine but please do not blame lack of support in the DFW area. I do not even live in the DFW area I have to drive to fish any of them anyway. You have to admit last year the transition was not very smooth and that left a lot of anglers unsure about what was going happen. I like fishing the trail and if gas is not so darn expensive and you actually have an offlimits the week before the events next year I might fish. I will say it again if you are going to hold the event on Sat. then the lake should be offlimits all week.


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I'm with you Tim. I'm not gonna drive 3 hrs to tyler, 3.5 hrs to pines. I guess they need two east texas trails.


Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: petro] #2442512 07/10/08 12:52 PM
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If they put in a off limits period the whole week, they are going to lose more guys than they would gain by making it off limits. Instead of prefishing on the weekends prior to the tournament, I prefish Thursday and Friday so I only make one trip to the lake and back. Saves money on gas even though I have to get a room. Plus with off limits, you still have to go to meeting on Friday night so why not fish the day of it if you can? I would already have to take a full or half day off work to get there in time for the meeting.

As for moving the lakes out East, I'm all for it other than maybe LOP. But since its a two day, that makes it a little more woth the drive. I know I'll catch heat for saying this, but the fishing is so much better out east. Lakes are bigger (except Tyler) and by this I mean more fishable water (easier for most to catch fish). As for Tyler, I can see that tournment taking 25 - 30 lbs to win in March. If the weather would not of changed on tournament day this year, I think it would of taken over 20 lbs. DFW tournaments just dont seem to have good draws unless they are in the spring when everyone is still in the points race.

Re: ABA BASS Weekend Series Schedule 2009 Season [Re: R_L] #2442623 07/10/08 01:18 PM
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Basschamps does seem to lose too many people with an offlimits.
The tournament should be held on Sunday with an officail practice day on Sat. with the meeting held Sat. night. Your example is the need for it to be offlimits all week. Not everyone can take off 2 days to practice. This is suppose to be a weekender series not a semi-pro trail. Such as TTT or Stren.

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I'm all for them moving back to Sundays. That would save me a vacation day. As for off limits, I don't believe the BFL's have an off limits either. Both the BFL and BWS are pretty successfull in other parts of the US.

I dont think our individual trails will ever be very big in the DFW area because there are way to many trails currently offered. Its really sad because everyone used to complain when the big individual trails only went to East Texas (Sam Rayburn and Toldeo). As of 2006, BWS came to the area and it really was not supported by all those complaining. Some started and dropped out after the first or second tournament each year for some reason.

This year, BFL started in the DFW area (Whitney, RC, CC, Lewisville, Texoma)and they are averaging maybe 5 boats more than the East Texas BWS. I fish the BWS just because the money is better. Next year if BWS and BFL dont conflict with each other, I will fish both because it would be really cool to have a chance at going to the All American.

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