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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: Douglas J]
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05/05/25 04:14 PM
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Mulejockey1
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Here is a question!! Why aren't there 6 guys after every elite screaming about the poly's??? They are giving 6 per tournament! The real question is how much is swept under the rug to keep the image up of BASS? It’s about to split open like a ripe watermelon. There is a reason bass is firing people and threatening them with ndas.
I prefer peace.But if trouble must come let it come in my time. So that my children may live in peace
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: Mulejockey1]
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05/05/25 04:22 PM
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HDVS
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Here is a question!! Why aren't there 6 guys after every elite screaming about the poly's??? They are giving 6 per tournament! The real question is how much is swept under the rug to keep the image up of BASS? It’s about to split open like a ripe watermelon. There is a reason bass is firing people and threatening them with ndas. Here is the funny thing! I don't care what BASS does. These guys all choose to sign the contract and fish that league. Independent contractor's with a choice! I chose a different league based on a lot of different reasons. There is a group that is fixin to leave BASS. By there own choice. Not by being dq'd and taking ur ball and going home and crying about the fact they broke the rule! Ya'll are going to bad mouth everybody but supporting the fact they broke a rule and one of them NO ONE (that fishes that level) likes and has been doing shady stuff his whole career! Blows me away!
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: HDVS]
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05/05/25 04:36 PM
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Mulejockey1
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Here is the funny thing! I don't care what BASS does. These guys all choose to sign the contract and fish that league. Independent contractor's with a choice! I chose a different league based on a lot of different reasons. There is a group that is fixin to leave BASS. By there own choice. Not by being dq'd and taking ur ball and going home and crying about the fact they broke the rule! Ya'll are going to bad mouth everybody but supporting the fact they broke a rule and one of them NO ONE (that fishes that level) likes and has been doing shady stuff his whole career! Blows me away! You make it sound like jealous anglers stabbed one in back. I completely agree. Shady stuff is hole sitting or interfering with leader so your commie brother can win. No, that is actually cheating in every single tournament organization I’ve ever been part of. Makes you wonder just what other tactics they use to cheat, clearly bass isn’t going to bother them.
I prefer peace.But if trouble must come let it come in my time. So that my children may live in peace
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: Mulejockey1]
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05/05/25 04:48 PM
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HDVS
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Here is the funny thing! I don't care what BASS does. These guys all choose to sign the contract and fish that league. Independent contractor's with a choice! I chose a different league based on a lot of different reasons. There is a group that is fixin to leave BASS. By there own choice. Not by being dq'd and taking ur ball and going home and crying about the fact they broke the rule! Ya'll are going to bad mouth everybody but supporting the fact they broke a rule and one of them NO ONE (that fishes that level) likes and has been doing shady stuff his whole career! Blows me away! You make it sound like jealous anglers stabbed one in back. I completely agree. Shady stuff is hole sitting or interfering with leader so your commie brother can win. No, that is actually cheating in every single tournament organization I’ve ever been part of. Makes you wonder just what other tactics they use to cheat, clearly bass isn’t going to bother them. How do I make it sound like jealous angler's did this? It what possible way?? They both BROKE the info rule and left!! They 100% did this to themselves! U can hate the Johnson's all u want but explain to me what rule was broken! Be specific please? Also have u heard how those 6 poly's at every elite are selected? No possible way to manipulate it!
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: nfhbass]
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05/05/25 09:26 PM
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DanXB-21
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Scheduling could have prevented that stupidity. Anyone who has ever bed fished for smallmouth knows that you can oftentimes catch them repeatedly. Don’t go to a smallmouth lake during the spawn - problem solved
Officials in boats are very relevant, though most of the cheating isn’t occurring during the competition day. All the tours are already scheduling on top of each other as it is, and you want to cut out 4-5 months they can schedule???... The host venues want you there when the big fish are the easiest to catch... Lake Fork is on the BASS schedule for May 8th not August 8th for this very reason... Money talks... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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05/06/25 12:02 AM
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wanta10lbbass
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It’s always people known to cheat, or those that have NEVER had a polygraph that scream about polygraphs. Simple….play by the rules, don’t be a POS, and the polygraph is easier than a high school slut.  This
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: Mulejockey1]
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05/06/25 12:22 AM
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wanta10lbbass
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Here is a question!! Why aren't there 6 guys after every elite screaming about the poly's??? They are giving 6 per tournament! The real question is how much is swept under the rug to keep the image up of BASS? It’s about to split open like a ripe watermelon. There is a reason bass is firing people and threatening them with ndas. Where are you getting all this inside info, Boyd Duckett? Who has been fired? And what's about to be split open? And what's the reason these guys are being "targeted" by BASS? I find it hard to believe BASS targeted Scott, then published an article on their website about praising him for turning himself in, and then had him on BASS live a few days later. And before you tell us the conspiracy started when he wasn't invited to BASS after the BASS/MLF split, remember that he wasn't invited to the BPT either. I'm sure there is all kinds of behind the scenes [censored] going on at BASS, like almost any other organization in "sports" or gambling....whatever you want to call fishing. And no doubt some is to protect their image. I just don't see how that justifies admitted cheaters (like Martin) not getting punished. Sounds like you're promoting sanctuary city type shelter for these guys? It's ok to break the rules as long as the organization isn't perfect.....think about how stupid that sounds. Not sure what your love fest with Scott Martin is about, but he hasn't had many people in the industry come to his defense......there's probably a reason for that.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: DanXB-21]
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05/06/25 12:24 AM
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nfhbass
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Scheduling could have prevented that stupidity. Anyone who has ever bed fished for smallmouth knows that you can oftentimes catch them repeatedly. Don’t go to a smallmouth lake during the spawn - problem solved
Officials in boats are very relevant, though most of the cheating isn’t occurring during the competition day. All the tours are already scheduling on top of each other as it is, and you want to cut out 4-5 months they can schedule???... The host venues want you there when the big fish are the easiest to catch... Lake Fork is on the BASS schedule for May 8th not August 8th for this very reason... Money talks... Dan I didn’t realize smallmouth are on beds 5 months out of the year. Most tours don’t head north until later in the year when they aren’t on bed, stick to that and you want be catching the same bed fish over and over. It’s do able.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: nfhbass]
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05/06/25 01:49 AM
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DanXB-21
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... I didn’t realize smallmouth are on beds 5 months out of the year. Most tours don’t head north until later in the year when they aren’t on bed, stick to that and you want be catching the same bed fish over and over. It’s do able.
Smallmouth are very, very, very aggressive on the bed... I've broken off a grub many times and pitched back in caught the fish and got my grub back while they're on the bed... According to AI, New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota all have a closed season on bass... I've seen beds on St. Clair in late July, Lake Charlevoix in August... It all depends on the weather... Now, couple that with the heat in the south during the summer, the outcry of fisherman concerned about delayed mortality because of high water temps... With your logic all major fishing organizations would only have a few months to get their seasons in... Again, why is BASS at Fork this week and not some random week in August???... Hint... Because Tackle Warehouse is paying a lot of money to sponsor the event and wants Fork to pump out as many 100+lbs limits as possible so the can sell a whole lot of lures those guys used to catch bass on Fork... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: beartrap]
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05/06/25 01:52 AM
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MCIPinkie
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Who cares? None of us, at least I assume none of you guys, fish that circuit.
If you do, you signed up to follow the rules. Not just the rules you like, or agree with.
Lots of places to fish. Lots of tournaments. Find one you like, follow the rules.
I don't hear most of the competitors complaining. They either followed the rules, or were smart enough not to get caught.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: DanXB-21]
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05/06/25 04:33 PM
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nfhbass
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... I didn’t realize smallmouth are on beds 5 months out of the year. Most tours don’t head north until later in the year when they aren’t on bed, stick to that and you want be catching the same bed fish over and over. It’s do able.
Smallmouth are very, very, very aggressive on the bed... I've broken off a grub many times and pitched back in caught the fish and got my grub back while they're on the bed... According to AI, New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota all have a closed season on bass... I've seen beds on St. Clair in late July, Lake Charlevoix in August... It all depends on the weather... Now, couple that with the heat in the south during the summer, the outcry of fisherman concerned about delayed mortality because of high water temps... With your logic all major fishing organizations would only have a few months to get their seasons in... Again, why is BASS at Fork this week and not some random week in August???... Hint... Because Tackle Warehouse is paying a lot of money to sponsor the event and wants Fork to pump out as many 100+lbs limits as possible so the can sell a whole lot of lures those guys used to catch bass on Fork... Dan What point are you trying to make? Your original argument was that a marshall in the boat was worthless because they regulated a particular instance with bed fishing smallmouth differently. I can assure you, that marshalls at all levels that have gotten rid of co anglers are of value. Go pros as a sort of officiating tool is a joke at the opens level. Ever had a go pro overheat? ALL THE TIME. What are you rambling about? Smallmouth on beds are about the easiest fish in freshwater to catch, correct. You can oftentimes catch them over and over again, correct. There are seasons for them, yes. My logic is sound and is what is happening with the elite series. yes, they wont be at fork in August it has nothing to do with Tackle Warehouse.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: nfhbass]
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05/06/25 05:19 PM
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Douglas J
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... I didn’t realize smallmouth are on beds 5 months out of the year. Most tours don’t head north until later in the year when they aren’t on bed, stick to that and you want be catching the same bed fish over and over. It’s do able.
Smallmouth are very, very, very aggressive on the bed... I've broken off a grub many times and pitched back in caught the fish and got my grub back while they're on the bed... According to AI, New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota all have a closed season on bass... I've seen beds on St. Clair in late July, Lake Charlevoix in August... It all depends on the weather... Now, couple that with the heat in the south during the summer, the outcry of fisherman concerned about delayed mortality because of high water temps... With your logic all major fishing organizations would only have a few months to get their seasons in... Again, why is BASS at Fork this week and not some random week in August???... Hint... Because Tackle Warehouse is paying a lot of money to sponsor the event and wants Fork to pump out as many 100+lbs limits as possible so the can sell a whole lot of lures those guys used to catch bass on Fork... Dan What point are you trying to make? Your original argument was that a marshall in the boat was worthless because they regulated a particular instance with bed fishing smallmouth differently. I can assure you, that marshalls at all levels that have gotten rid of co anglers are of value. Go pros as a sort of officiating tool is a joke at the opens level. Ever had a go pro overheat? ALL THE TIME. What are you rambling about? Smallmouth on beds are about the easiest fish in freshwater to catch, correct. You can oftentimes catch them over and over again, correct. There are seasons for them, yes. My logic is sound and is what is happening with the elite series. yes, they wont be at fork in August it has nothing to do with Tackle Warehouse. Unfortunately for dot dot dot Dan, narcism and dementia don't mix well
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: Douglas J]
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05/07/25 01:42 AM
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DanXB-21
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You said Ref's were the answer... I pointed to and exact instance where they were worthless and actually made the situation worse... GoPros are just as worthless... You wanna add additional restrictions that would force the tournament organizations to fish on top of each other... What???... I missed what you said... I was out wiping down the boat after my day on the lake... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: Mulejockey1]
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05/07/25 02:14 AM
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sprigsss
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Polygraphs are a complete joke and result is 100% dependent on administrator. Absolutely no one can prove otherwise. So instead of having to prove it was incorrect, maybe it’s time to prove they are correct. The no info rule has been broken by everyone at some point or other and it would take a moron to believe otherwise. Bass currently just happens to be overran with morons. I have yet to hear an angler say a polygraph was incorrect. What I have heard is anglers simply have a different interpretation of the rule. Seems like everytime they’ve “had a problem” with a question, there has been a story to go with it. That tells me even the angler deep down feels like they may have crossed a line and are generating a reaction. If they were 100% certain they were operating within the rules, I don’t think it would show up on the polygraph. I think people can convince themselves they are right and beat a polygraph, I doubt anyone is going to be 100% confident and get a false negative. Here is saying he passed the polygraph, meaning there was no deception. Seems the issue isn’t the polygraph results, but a disagreement on what is and isn’t a rule violation. The way the rules are written it does not say no information what so ever, it says to “intentionally” receive info. Here. Said he was never asked about intent, I do believe that is a problem. He never asked for info, his buddy stated if you caught them on spot A I bet they are on spot B, he had already fished spot B, he didn’t receive any advantage. I think it’s troubling a BASS official wouldn’t sit down with him and the polygrapher to clarify the exact rule that was broken.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: wanta10lbbass]
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05/07/25 04:24 AM
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Mulejockey1
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Here is a question!! Why aren't there 6 guys after every elite screaming about the poly's??? They are giving 6 per tournament! The real question is how much is swept under the rug to keep the image up of BASS? It’s about to split open like a ripe watermelon. There is a reason bass is firing people and threatening them with ndas. Where are you getting all this inside info, Boyd Duckett? Who has been fired? And what's about to be split open? And what's the reason these guys are being "targeted" by BASS? I find it hard to believe BASS targeted Scott, then published an article on their website about praising him for turning himself in, and then had him on BASS live a few days later. And before you tell us the conspiracy started when he wasn't invited to BASS after the BASS/MLF split, remember that he wasn't invited to the BPT either. I'm sure there is all kinds of behind the scenes [censored] going on at BASS, like almost any other organization in "sports" or gambling....whatever you want to call fishing. And no doubt some is to protect their image. I just don't see how that justifies admitted cheaters (like Martin) not getting punished. Sounds like you're promoting sanctuary city type shelter for these guys? It's ok to break the rules as long as the organization isn't perfect.....think about how stupid that sounds. Not sure what your love fest with Scott Martin is about, but he hasn't had many people in the industry come to his defense......there's probably a reason for that. The guy who published the article got fired. bass fired him. Scott did pass a polygraph administered by likely a tenfold more credible examiner than bass is using. Everyone, EVERYONE knows polygraphs are junk science and Matt/Ike points it out. Also point out how if bass wants you gone or a few shower buddies, they can get you gone. I know someone said they have seen video of Martin breaking no info rules, well, I’m calling them a liar including tampon boy and the midget from Louisiana
I prefer peace.But if trouble must come let it come in my time. So that my children may live in peace
Paine
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