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Re: Herron vs Martin
[Re: pchapin]
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03/02/25 04:14 AM
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nfhbass
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Today I listened to the clip where Roland and Scott were talking about it to Davy Hite. I’m not sure I understand the “new information” vs the pre ‘18 “old info rule”. Roland conferred with Hite that they’ve never been allowed to solicite spot information, but that this “new information rule” that “everyone wanted” makes it harder to not violate the rule.
What is this new rule, and what is its purpose if they had an old info rule that said basically you weren’t allowed to call guide and get specific details.
I’m more confused the more i look into this issue. There was no information rule prior to 2018. Prior to Lake Conroe going off limits for the 2017 Classic, I saw about half the field going out with local tournament fishermen. If there was no rule before 2018, why did Roland and Davy say there was. Speed up to the 5 minute mark.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
[Re: nfhbass]
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03/02/25 04:25 AM
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pchapin
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Today I listened to the clip where Roland and Scott were talking about it to Davy Hite. I’m not sure I understand the “new information” vs the pre ‘18 “old info rule”. Roland conferred with Hite that they’ve never been allowed to solicite spot information, but that this “new information rule” that “everyone wanted” makes it harder to not violate the rule.
What is this new rule, and what is its purpose if they had an old info rule that said basically you weren’t allowed to call guide and get specific details.
I’m more confused the more i look into this issue. There was no information rule prior to 2018. Prior to Lake Conroe going off limits for the 2017 Classic, I saw about half the field going out with local tournament fishermen. If there was no rule before 2018, why did Roland and Davy say there was. No idea. Maybe you misunderstood. Roland was well known for information gathering.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
[Re: pchapin]
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03/02/25 04:39 AM
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nfhbass
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Today I listened to the clip where Roland and Scott were talking about it to Davy Hite. I’m not sure I understand the “new information” vs the pre ‘18 “old info rule”. Roland conferred with Hite that they’ve never been allowed to solicite spot information, but that this “new information rule” that “everyone wanted” makes it harder to not violate the rule.
What is this new rule, and what is its purpose if they had an old info rule that said basically you weren’t allowed to call guide and get specific details.
I’m more confused the more i look into this issue. There was no information rule prior to 2018. Prior to Lake Conroe going off limits for the 2017 Classic, I saw about half the field going out with local tournament fishermen. If there was no rule before 2018, why did Roland and Davy say there was. No idea. Maybe you misunderstood. Roland was well known for information gathering. Maybe about Roland, but Davy Hite and him both agreed that there was info rules when they competed.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
[Re: nfhbass]
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03/02/25 04:49 AM
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pchapin
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There was no information rule prior to 2018. Prior to Lake Conroe going off limits for the 2017 Classic, I saw about half the field going out with local tournament fishermen. If there was no rule before 2018, why did Roland and Davy say there was. No idea. Maybe you misunderstood. Roland was well known for information gathering. Maybe about Roland, but Davy Hite and him both agreed that there was info rules when they competed. I rewatched the video and heard him say they could not solicit information in the Top 100. I know for a fact that people were being shown brush piles and other information in the Top 100. Maybe next time someone should ask how he knew to come to a tournament with an aluminum boat and jet drive so he could go up rapids to water bass boats could not reach. The old rules are history so not really important. The current rules are what they now have to deal with. The rules have changed many times since the beginning. They had a rule that you could not do anything to increase the fish population in an area. This included moving fish from one location to another and also planting brush pile
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 04:54 AM
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It’s does matter in terms of what the rules are. They aren’t allowed to solicit information. So what does that mean, if both Roland Martin and Davy Hite said they weren’t allowed to solicit information in there time. What exactly has changed in the rule? I don’t know about Roland but Davy Hite is a pretty straight shooter, and quite invoilved at these bass events…
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 05:06 AM
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pchapin
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It’s does matter in terms of what the rules are. They aren’t allowed to solicit information. So what does that mean, if both Roland Martin and Davy Hite said they weren’t allowed to solicit information in there time. What exactly has changed in the rule. I don’t know about Roland but Davy Hite is a pretty straight shooter, and quite invoked af these bass events… Like I said, the rules have changed many times since the beginning. It was not always against the rules to solicit information. There may have been times when it was, but is was no always.
“No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact” P01135809
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 05:20 AM
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Mat and Scott participated in the conversation in which the information was exchanged I’m guessing you are withholding truth for a reason? Show us what you got. Polygraph is ignorance, a ghost video is cowardice..
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 05:21 AM
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It’s does matter in terms of what the rules are. They aren’t allowed to solicit information. So what does that mean, if both Roland Martin and Davy Hite said they weren’t allowed to solicit information in there time. What exactly has changed in the rule. I don’t know about Roland but Davy Hite is a pretty straight shooter, and quite invoked af these bass events… Like I said, the rules have changed many times since the beginning. It was not always against the rules to solicit information. There may have been times when it was, but is was no always. Of course it wasn’t or kvd wouldn’t have his records that came just short of Roland’s.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 06:04 AM
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pchapin
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Mat and Scott participated in the conversation in which the information was exchanged I’m guessing you are withholding truth for a reason? Show us what you got. Polygraph is ignorance, a ghost video is cowardice.. Maybe you should watch their videos on the subject. Scott said he asked about the water condition, Mat discussed with his son the location where a tournament was won the week before. Pay attention
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 06:47 AM
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nfhbass
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It’s does matter in terms of what the rules are. They aren’t allowed to solicit information. So what does that mean, if both Roland Martin and Davy Hite said they weren’t allowed to solicit information in there time. What exactly has changed in the rule. I don’t know about Roland but Davy Hite is a pretty straight shooter, and quite invoked af these bass events… Like I said, the rules have changed many times since the beginning. It was not always against the rules to solicit information. There may have been times when it was, but is was no always. I think you are missing it. Davy and Roland were recalling a time when they had a no info rules, but THAT rule they had, was different, what was different? That’s what I want to know. They can’t solicit now, they’re saying they couldn’t then BUT they could have done what Scott did. So what exactly did Scott do that’s different today, then the way the rule was for them then?
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 02:17 PM
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In my opinion, from what I gather. They can’t discuss with a lake with anyone for 30 days now and in the old days, they could not PURCHASE information about a lake.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 04:25 PM
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In my opinion, from what I gather. They can’t discuss with a lake with anyone for 30 days now and in the old days, they could not PURCHASE information about a lake. It’s my understanding that the no information rule goes in to effect as soon as the schedule for the next season is announced. This is why the elites were upset with the open eq kids last year, they knew they were going to qualify, the schedule was announced and they were snatching up as much info as possible while the elites couldn’t.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 04:29 PM
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WAWI
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It’s does matter in terms of what the rules are. They aren’t allowed to solicit information. So what does that mean, if both Roland Martin and Davy Hite said they weren’t allowed to solicit information in there time. What exactly has changed in the rule. I don’t know about Roland but Davy Hite is a pretty straight shooter, and quite invoked af these bass events… Like I said, the rules have changed many times since the beginning. It was not always against the rules to solicit information. There may have been times when it was, but is was no always. I think you are missing it. Davy and Roland were recalling a time when they had a no info rules, but THAT rule they had, was different, what was different? That’s what I want to know. They can’t solicit now, they’re saying they couldn’t then BUT they could have done what Scott did. So what exactly did Scott do that’s different today, then the way the rule was for them then? Unless you know exactly what Scott did it's gonna be hard to say.
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 04:34 PM
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nfhbass
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Are you implying there is more to Scott’s story than what was said during his interview?
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Re: Herron vs Martin
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03/02/25 05:02 PM
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pchapin
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In my opinion, from what I gather. They can’t discuss with a lake with anyone for 30 days now and in the old days, they could not PURCHASE information about a lake. Under the current rules, Elite anglers cannot discuss any lake on the schedule once the schedule is announced with anyone other than other Elite anglers. I have never heard of any rule against seeking information prior to the current rule except for what Roland and Davy said in the video. I have known and fished with quite a few of the older guys and information gathering was always a big deal.
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