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Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 09:25 PM
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Frank the Tank
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Am I wrong to think an extra fast rod would do better at driving a hook into a fish?
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 09:30 PM
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prosise
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Is this for a worm, or jig type application?
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 09:35 PM
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tmd11111
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Not wrong at all but keeping it pinned will depend on the type of hook.
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 09:38 PM
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JCBfromTHF
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I use 17 pound line for T Rigs and started breaking off way to many fish on the hook set with an extra fast rod. No matter how hard I tried to tell myself to let up a little on the hook set I couldnt do it so went back to a standard fast. The extra fast rods now have braid and they get used for frogs and thick matted punching.
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 09:47 PM
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Frank the Tank
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What about an extra fast spinning rod for flukes?
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 10:16 PM
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Extra fast can cause problems…..especially if it’s not a fine wire hook (like on a drop shot)
Imagine you are trying to pierce a piece of your own skin. A soft all fleshy part, like an ear lobe…sure extra fast would work great.
But, if it’s a tough, thick or bony part; you would want a slower, more sustained building, burrowing pressure.
I prefer moderate fast for flukes….they will ball up at times…you have to penetrate through the fluke and then sometimes into a thick, bony part of the fish’ mouth.
Extra fast would be good for exposed thin wire hooks like on drop shot and traditional NED rig.
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 10:44 PM
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The speed rating is how fast the rod loads up….and how far up the rod it loads. A fast tip is probably better for a medium spinning rod. XF would hard to keep a fish hooked up with on a spinning rod. You want the rod to bend and allow its power to control the hook and fish. I’d be concerned about a finesse rod having too much tip with smaller hooks. I think. Haha. That’s why they print the technique on the rod…for guys like me. 
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 11:04 PM
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bassfishinglawyer
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That’s why they print the technique on the rod…for guys like me.  A friend gave me an older 6'6" BPS rod that was a medium action and it said it was for worms and jigs.  Been a good jerkbait and rat'l trap rod though.
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/20/25 11:59 PM
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That’s why they print the technique on the rod…for guys like me.  A friend gave me an older 6'6" BPS rod that was a medium action and it said it was for worms and jigs.  Been a good jerkbait and rat'l trap rod though. Lol Pistol grip? 
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 12:26 AM
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Frank the Tank
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Thanks guys. I guess I was thinking of it backwards. Now I understand the 3-power suggestions on my dobyns rods.
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 12:50 AM
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Frank the Tank
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Is this for a worm, or jig type application? Weightless fluke
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 12:51 AM
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The speed rating is how fast the rod loads up….and how far up the rod it loads. A fast tip is probably better for a medium spinning rod. XF would hard to keep a fish hooked up with on a spinning rod. You want the rod to bend and allow its power to control the hook and fish. I’d be concerned about a finesse rod having too much tip with smaller hooks. I think. Haha. That’s why they print the technique on the rod…for guys like me.  I couldn't figure it out either with GLoomis NRX's so I bought 2 of almost every model. I'll get it right eventually 
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 02:02 AM
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SteezMacQueen
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The speed rating is how fast the rod loads up….and how far up the rod it loads. A fast tip is probably better for a medium spinning rod. XF would hard to keep a fish hooked up with on a spinning rod. You want the rod to bend and allow its power to control the hook and fish. I’d be concerned about a finesse rod having too much tip with smaller hooks. I think. Haha. That’s why they print the technique on the rod…for guys like me.  I couldn't figure it out either with GLoomis NRX's so I bought 2 of almost every model. I'll get it right eventually  Pretty much how I solved the Falcon code. I have a few that have one cast on them. I’ll never use them. 
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 02:18 AM
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I've used an XF rod for many years now on Texas rigs, jigs abd even frogs with zero issues. Frthe most part there is no industry standards so one company's fast might be another company's XF and so forth.
Unfortunately sometimes the best way to decide if it will work for you is to try it out.
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 02:28 AM
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Frank the Tank
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These are good points -^^^^. Thanks guys
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 03:09 AM
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XF rods are not as good with casting light baits as the rod doesn't load up on the cast. You get too much speed on the spool and not enough bait travel to pull the line out. This is not to say you can't cast light baits with a med light or medium extra fast. I use medium xf for jerk baits, but the rod is flexing in the middle. MH XF may not be as forgiving and all of my HXF are for pitching mats or throwing frogs. Which I pretty much suck at
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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02/21/25 03:34 AM
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Only XF rod I own….St Croix medium light extra fast. Specifically designed for light lures with exposed thin wire hook presentations in open water…..for a reel and lift fish hook themselves hookset. With thicker, larger gauge hooks….like flipping and frog hooks; I want the heavy or extra heavy rod to load up with a moderate fast action so the bigger gauge hook can penetrate deep into the tissue with a driving sustained hook set. I like fast action for Texas rig and most jigs. Moderate fast action for most treble lures. I don’t like moderate action for anything in the Texas freshwater lakes I fish….too much vegetation and timber for that. There’s no industry standard; but I really like Falcon rods more moderate actions (their fast actions are more of a moderate fast)
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Re: Fast vs. extra fast
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Ken A.
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You are way overthinking it Jon
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