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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: uncle_bagster]
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01/12/25 02:29 PM
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Spiderman
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Just like the fires we had in Texas in2013.
It will burn until it burns itself out.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: 1oldbassguy]
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01/12/25 02:32 PM
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I guess this would be a question for nfhbass. Biden said the hydrants ran out of water because the power company shut off the power to them. I've never heard of that. Do any/all the hydrants in that area of California run on electricity? the hydrants ran out of water for two reasons --- the lake that holds the primary water for both hydrants and helicopters was empty . Secondly , the power district shut down the power that is needed to run the pumps for the hydrants . It's not known if water would have come from other locations ( other than the one that was empty ) -- But would assume they get it from more than one location . The local people are now all pointing to arson --- perfectly timed for when the winds would be the worst . It would be super easy to start it in the hills and just watch in take over with the santa ana's . If it wasn't an arsonist --- could easily been a homeless encampment --- something like 44-50% of all Fire calls in 2024 were due to homeless encampments in LA No. LA Times ran a story in April of 2024 that south LA county has had over 300 fire hydrants stolen during the previous year. So obviously there has been water missing in LA county for almost 2 years. Let alone Calif soft on crime has a problem with hydrants being stolen and sold for scrap metal. Theres tons of Calif logic human error in this whole mess that should never have happened. Nobody cuts power to critical equipment during an emergency let alone deliberately leaves the power off during the emergency. If it would have been a power failure I can see that but thats not what was said. Calif is by far the worst run and managed state in the nation. They have been warned many times . Hopefully Trump puts a stipulation before handing out federal money to rebuild that all key decision making people involved in this fire are fired or let resign. Which includes all who supported homeless camps since homeless are part of the problem.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: franchi]
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01/12/25 02:42 PM
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Bob Davis
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No. LA Times ran a story in April of 2024 that south LA county has had over 300 fire hydrants stolen during the previous year. So obviously there has been water missing in LA county for almost 2 years. Let alone Calif soft on crime has a problem with hydrants being stolen and sold for scrap metal. Theres tons of Calif logic human error in this whole mess that should never have happened. Nobody cuts power to critical equipment during an emergency let alone deliberately leaves the power off during the emergency. If it would have been a power failure I can see that but thats not what was said
Stolen fire hydrants. Geesh. Unbelievable. A myriad of failures as expected from the left coast.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: franchi]
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01/12/25 02:45 PM
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nfhbass
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I guess this would be a question for nfhbass. Biden said the hydrants ran out of water because the power company shut off the power to them. I've never heard of that. Do any/all the hydrants in that area of California run on electricity? the hydrants ran out of water for two reasons --- the lake that holds the primary water for both hydrants and helicopters was empty . Secondly , the power district shut down the power that is needed to run the pumps for the hydrants . It's not known if water would have come from other locations ( other than the one that was empty ) -- But would assume they get it from more than one location . The local people are now all pointing to arson --- perfectly timed for when the winds would be the worst . It would be super easy to start it in the hills and just watch in take over with the santa ana's . If it wasn't an arsonist --- could easily been a homeless encampment --- something like 44-50% of all Fire calls in 2024 were due to homeless encampments in LA No. LA Times ran a story in April of 2024 that south LA county has had over 300 fire hydrants stolen during the previous year. So obviously there has been water missing in LA county for almost 2 years. Let alone Calif soft on crime has a problem with hydrants being stolen and sold for scrap metal. Theres tons of Calif logic human error in this whole mess that should never have happened. Nobody cuts power to critical equipment during an emergency let alone deliberately leaves the power off during the emergency. If it would have been a power failure I can see that but thats not what was said So which is it? 1. No water, because they are letting it all go to the Pacific for the smelt that lives somewhere in the brackish water where the rivers meet the sea. 2. No water because the Santa Ynez reservoir was empty for repair. 3. No water because the three 1M gallon water tanks near the fire area couldn't keep up with the demand at higher elevations. 4. No water becuase the pumps that supplied the three 1M gallon water tanks near the fire area were shut off, when the power was shut of to this area to avoid potential new fire start from the power lines. 5. Stolen fire hydrants, 300 of them stolen last year.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: uncle_bagster]
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01/12/25 02:46 PM
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The people of California have an opportunity of a lifetime. What are they going to do with it? It’s time to wake up.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: bloo_rainger]
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01/12/25 02:55 PM
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The people of California have an opportunity of a lifetime. What are they going to do with it? It’s time to wake up. They are going to cry and p1ss and moan until we come and help um out.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: uncle_bagster]
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01/12/25 03:06 PM
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4 days ago the local So Cal TV station KTLA reported that 4 million people were without power. That got me to thinking. What's going to happen when everyone is mandated to drive EV's? How are you going to charge your vehicle and escape a mandatory evacuation? What happens if everyone charges their EV's at the same time in preparation to evacuate? Is that going to take the power grid down? I'm also sure that all of this burning is not helping the air quality in the area. Are they going to blame the bad air quality samples on the fire fighting equipment like trucks, choppers and airplanes? What's going to happen when they are mandated to become EV's? If the aircraft use solar panels, that will take any kind of a night attack off the option table. We know they are already saying climate change is a major factor. California is one sick place. The state officials have their head so far up their arse they can't see the light of day. If this situation does not become a wake up call for So Cal then all hope is lost.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: nfhbass]
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01/12/25 03:06 PM
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franchi
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I guess this would be a question for nfhbass. Biden said the hydrants ran out of water because the power company shut off the power to them. I've never heard of that. Do any/all the hydrants in that area of California run on electricity? the hydrants ran out of water for two reasons --- the lake that holds the primary water for both hydrants and helicopters was empty . Secondly , the power district shut down the power that is needed to run the pumps for the hydrants . It's not known if water would have come from other locations ( other than the one that was empty ) -- But would assume they get it from more than one location . The local people are now all pointing to arson --- perfectly timed for when the winds would be the worst . It would be super easy to start it in the hills and just watch in take over with the santa ana's . If it wasn't an arsonist --- could easily been a homeless encampment --- something like 44-50% of all Fire calls in 2024 were due to homeless encampments in LA No. LA Times ran a story in April of 2024 that south LA county has had over 300 fire hydrants stolen during the previous year. So obviously there has been water missing in LA county for almost 2 years. Let alone Calif soft on crime has a problem with hydrants being stolen and sold for scrap metal. Theres tons of Calif logic human error in this whole mess that should never have happened. Nobody cuts power to critical equipment during an emergency let alone deliberately leaves the power off during the emergency. If it would have been a power failure I can see that but thats not what was said So which is it? 1. No water, because they are letting it all go to the Pacific for the smelt that lives somewhere in the brackish water where the rivers meet the sea. 2. No water because the Santa Ynez reservoir was empty for repair. 3. No water because the three 1M gallon water tanks near the fire area couldn't keep up with the demand at higher elevations. 4. No water becuase the pumps that supplied the three 1M gallon water tanks near the fire area were shut off, when the power was shut of to this area to avoid potential new fire start from the power lines. 5. Stolen fire hydrants, 300 of them stolen last year. One word. Democrats
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: uncle_bagster]
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01/12/25 03:08 PM
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Each and everyone of us will end up paying the bill to rebuild So. Cal whether we realize it or not.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: RoadRunnerTR21]
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01/12/25 03:30 PM
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4 days ago the local So Cal TV station KTLA reported that 4 million people were without power. That got me to thinking. What's going to happen when everyone is mandated to drive EV's? How are you going to charge your vehicle and escape a mandatory evacuation? What happens if everyone charges their EV's at the same time in preparation to evacuate? Is that going to take the power grid down? I'm also sure that all of this burning is not helping the air quality in the area. Are they going to blame the bad air quality samples on the fire fighting equipment like trucks, choppers and airplanes? What's going to happen when they are mandated to become EV's? If the aircraft use solar panels, that will take any kind of a night attack off the option table. We know they are already saying climate change is a major factor. California is one sick place. The state officials have their head so far up their arse they can't see the light of day. If this situation does not become a wake up call for So Cal then all hope is lost. All good points. Lets see if the loons take the red pill or double down on idiocy.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: uncle_bagster]
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01/12/25 03:42 PM
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nfhbass
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Looks like they've added 1,127 firefighters since yesterday, that brings the total to 8,262.
885 Engines, 129 20 person crews, 54 Helicopters assigned to the 4 large fires. 1724 homes destroyed.
Looks like some progress is being made in terms of fire containment. The Kenneth fire is expected to be contained today. Hurst, Eaton, Palisades on the 16th, 22nd, and 24th respectively.
Hopefully everyone stays safe out there.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: uncle_bagster]
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01/12/25 03:45 PM
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This sorta stuff happens when you artificially build an oasis in the middle of a desert... Add that it's run by a bunch of loons and presto... Total devastation... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Fires in CA
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01/12/25 03:55 PM
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4 days ago the local So Cal TV station KTLA reported that 4 million people were without power. That got me to thinking. What's going to happen when everyone is mandated to drive EV's? How are you going to charge your vehicle and escape a mandatory evacuation? What happens if everyone charges their EV's at the same time in preparation to evacuate? Is that going to take the power grid down? I'm also sure that all of this burning is not helping the air quality in the area. Are they going to blame the bad air quality samples on the fire fighting equipment like trucks, choppers and airplanes? What's going to happen when they are mandated to become EV's? If the aircraft use solar panels, that will take any kind of a night attack off the option table. We know they are already saying climate change is a major factor. California is one sick place. The state officials have their head so far up their arse they can't see the light of day. If this situation does not become a wake up call for So Cal then all hope is lost. All good points. Lets see if the loons take the red pill or double down on idiocy. You drive your car to where there is electricity? The same thing gassers would do since gas stations need electricity to pump gas. To allay your fears, by Wednesday afternoon the number without power was down to 1.2 million and the following morning it was down to 390k.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: Allison1]
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01/12/25 04:06 PM
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To allay your fears, by Wednesday afternoon the number without power was down to 1.2 million and the following morning it was down to 390k.
No fears here. People will reap what they sow.
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Re: Fires in CA
[Re: Allison1]
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01/12/25 04:07 PM
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nfhbass
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4 days ago the local So Cal TV station KTLA reported that 4 million people were without power. That got me to thinking. What's going to happen when everyone is mandated to drive EV's? How are you going to charge your vehicle and escape a mandatory evacuation? What happens if everyone charges their EV's at the same time in preparation to evacuate? Is that going to take the power grid down? I'm also sure that all of this burning is not helping the air quality in the area. Are they going to blame the bad air quality samples on the fire fighting equipment like trucks, choppers and airplanes? What's going to happen when they are mandated to become EV's? If the aircraft use solar panels, that will take any kind of a night attack off the option table. We know they are already saying climate change is a major factor. California is one sick place. The state officials have their head so far up their arse they can't see the light of day. If this situation does not become a wake up call for So Cal then all hope is lost. All good points. Lets see if the loons take the red pill or double down on idiocy. You drive your car to where there is electricity? The same thing gassers would do since gas stations need electricity to pump gas. To allay your fears, by Wednesday afternoon the number without power was down to 1.2 million and the following morning it was down to 390k. No Allison, it isn't the same. RoadRunner's points are valid. No grid in a America has capacity to accommodate everyone driving an EV, when there are no outages, much less when there are outages. Many gas stations have emergency back up generators to supply fuel to traditional gas or diesel vehicles, it by far the better route until the grid catches up. Then Allison, realize that you've merely transferred the CO2 emissions from the exhaust pipe to the power plant's smoke stack. Wind and Solar are not feasible options right now, everyone knows this, and until they are, we should not be required to turn in our real cars and trucks.
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