If so they need to be shot on sight with a 300 mag.

Well that won't happen In California. I feel sorry for those that lost their homes. But they voted for the politicians and policies. You get what you vote for.Hopefully no homeless or illegals were harmed.

Yup. Would love for trump to tell California we have no federal money because it was all sent to Ukraine.

I’ll leave you all with this.

I worked as a wildland firefighter for years and eventually left because the pay and morale was so low. When I started, I made $15/hr in today’s money, it was $10.65/ hr then. I was given no health insurance, no benefits, just a gs-03 on a usfs hotshot crew (I was 1 of 2 allowed rookies on a crew that had to be experienced and considered elite). When we weren’t on fires I lived in my car and showered at a local gym that let a few of us in. Since there were no barracks and I couldn’t afford rent

Over the years I progressed up the “ladder”, but after two decades, my base pay was still less than 75k/yr. Divorce rates are sky high. I’ve lost 2 close friends to suicide. All while sacrificing way more than what the general public realizes. Many of these crews are away 21 days, home 2 and repeat for 6 months or more and they are eager to work so they can make ends meet and pursue a career that has a lot of purpose. They’re all quite humble and low maintenance people.

I think the thing that stuck with me the most was the amount of distasteful comments we’d get at gas station and other places all across America, particularly if it wasn’t busy or it was raining. There is so much hate for fed land mgmt agencies out there that people forget how much work people are putting in to suppress wildfires.

I know for sure it isn’t socially acceptable to heckle military personnel that way, and I would argue that our wildland firefighters are making bigger personal sacrifices than many of our nations military and for whatever reason we can’t pay them and treat them comparably.

It’s absolutely insane. Some changes have recently been made, but it really is pathetic how our government treats our wildland firefighters. So at the very least, next time you see one, be nice, they do a lot more than you realize.

I’m not alone, many very experienced firefighters have left and new ones aren’t sticking around because it isn’t worth it.

So, literally nothing could have been done to help limit the damage? California has done everything right, and no matter what, it was always going to be this bad? None of the things people have suggested for years, that the state hasn’t done, would’ve helped limit the damage even by 1%? Not the DEI initiatives resulting in fewer fire fighters, not the vaccine mandate for fire fighters, not making all of the local fire fighters be trained in wild land fire fighting? I know it isn’t solely a water issue, but they for sure have been using water this week, and they’re now out of it. But, nothing else could be done? Not the residents and environmental groups that prevented some of the proposals, like some obscure fish that it turns out has been expanding its habitat and isn’t endangered? Or the people who complain about smoke from prescribed burns? Or the environmentalists who say prescribed burns pollute the environment? Or on and on and on.

Of course they’ve always had a wildfire problem. A third of the country does. It was just a perfect storm and there is nothing California can do to limit this? I’m not saying Trump, Arnold and the mayoral candidate caused this. Of course the fires ave been around before them. I’m saying they’ve been talking about it. You said none of them would solve any problems. None of the suggestions would’ve changed anything?

My bubble isn’t burst. I’m looking for some specifics. You’re not addressing that, you’re just saying all politicians suck (we agree). I’m asking, if they didn’t suck, would any of the proposed solutions help 1%?

Sure. I’m working right now, but I’ll be back with some specifics.

Yo Dan90210, is your bro still fighting wildfires in Cali?

You build in tornado alley, expect tornados, you build on the gulf coast, expect hurricanes, you build in fire prone areas of California, expect fires.
Politicians cannot save you.

Unless the politicians prevent your from mitigating the threat (clearing brush)

“Our prayers are with everyone affected by the horrific fires in Southern California. When disaster strikes, we must come together to help our fellow Americans in any way we can. The state of Florida has offered help to assist the people of California in responding to these fires,” DeSantis posted to X on Wednesday.


https://floridapolitics.com/archive...-offers-help-to-fire-ravaged-california/

And raking leaves.

Exactly. I don’t think wildfires and tornados are the same. And I don’t think anyone out there should think wildfires won’t occur. No one is saying that, and that would be silly. There are some techniques being thrown around that people claim could mitigate damage in wildfire-prone areas of California.

Are California politicians doing everything they can to mitigate the damage? I’m 100% sure they’re not, just based on what I know of California politics and governance.

There have been wildfires in California ever since God created the heavens and earth and they will exist until judgement day.

A governor who does what’s necessary when disaster strikes. Hurricane knocks out the only road to the Florida keys? Repaired in a few days, supplies delivered by boat in the meantime, removes tolls for evacuated residents,

California governor: I’ll let the local politicians worry about the water. Not my problem.

You can’t control natural disasters (if the fires are even natural and not arson), but how you respond to them, and how you learn from them, is controllable. Newsome talked about Trump saying “I told you so” and never once mentioned that Trump was wrong and that he’s done XYZ to prepare and prevent this level of destruction.

That’s what needs to be changed.

No kidding. Have humans made any strides in preparing for/dealing with them since God created the heavens and earth?