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Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15294956 01/08/25 03:24 PM
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Black rock? You better believe it.


Uncle donated 5 round bails and a pallet of feed. Then again, tourist to Texas don't understand that.

Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15294963 01/08/25 03:30 PM
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Just wait for the mudslides when the spring rains come. After everything is burned, there is nothing to stop them. Beautiful place to live, until it isn’t.


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Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15294969 01/08/25 03:36 PM
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Do they get a winter there? I honestly don't know. I've always heard the weather is nice. It rarely rains.

My only exposure to California is what I see on TV.

Re: Fires in CA [Re: grandbassslayer] #15295004 01/08/25 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Wasn’t someone here waiting to swoop in and buy fire land for pennies on the dollar?

He’s currently moving money around so he’s can be prepared when the time is right.

Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15295007 01/08/25 03:55 PM
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I spent a few decades roaming from fire to fire out west. I've worked on many fires in every state West of the MS, excluding HI and many Eastern states. The real solution to America's wildfire problem most Americans don't want to be a part of or pay for. The problem is not going away.

Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15295011 01/08/25 03:57 PM
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California is a really cool state, the terrain and scenery is amazing. If you haven’t been, most of the outlying areas/suburbs of Los Angeles are built into the side of mountains and into ravines and canyons. San Diego is very similar. The elevation changes and steepness/grades of the roads is something to behold.

All that being said, it makes for a very hard trip to get equipment and men to certain areas to put fires out.
Of course, those aren’t all the reasons and they are more, I’m sure.

PS - I forgot to add the obligatory disclaimer you need here to say that I don’t get into the political side of things

Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15295031 01/08/25 04:07 PM
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Since becoming an adult and starting to pay attention to the news I have always said there are at least three news stories that are covered every year. The networks can put them on the shelf and pull them out again the next year:

1. Wildfires in California
2. Mudslides in California
3. Cold posing danger to the Florida citrus crop

So far we've seen two of the three and we're only eight days into the new year.

Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15295033 01/08/25 04:07 PM
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I will say that there are some absolutely stunning parts of Northern Cal. I worked on a hotshot crew for a few years in that neck of the woods, some of the rivers are absolutely stunning.

You wont find steeper hills to climb thats for sure, unless you head to the salmon river breaks in ID. Those hills will turn boys to men quick!

Good luck to the wildland firefighters out there, I wish they treated you all like the professionals you are.

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Originally Posted by Ghost4BH
Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Wasn’t someone here waiting to swoop in and buy fire land for pennies on the dollar?

He’s currently moving money around so he’s can be prepared when the time is right.

He just got a raise too.

Re: Fires in CA [Re: elcoyote, esq.] #15295075 01/08/25 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by elcoyote, esq.
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Fires are never good!


Incorrect. Since the beginning of time, fires have prevented excessive build up of fuel, and regenerate the earth (which is good)

California is a corrupt and incompetent state and has prevented residents from performing any brush or vegetation management for decades, which allows conditions that caused these current fires (which aren’t good).


Very true. Fire is mother natures vacuum.

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New fire just started right in the heart of the SFV. My old stomping ground.

In the one "nature" preserve area they have. If it gets driven south, well that is right into the middle of the city... that would be bad bad. Firestorm basically like on the scale of Hawaii... but even more dense populations and denser buildings and other infrastructure.

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Originally Posted by BrandoA
Originally Posted by elcoyote, esq.
Originally Posted by Fish-ed
Fires are never good!


Incorrect. Since the beginning of time, fires have prevented excessive build up of fuel, and regenerate the earth (which is good)

California is a corrupt and incompetent state and has prevented residents from performing any brush or vegetation management for decades, which allows conditions that caused these current fires (which aren’t good).


Very true. Fire is mother natures vacuum.


While its true that fire has existed on almost every landscape in America for centuries every area is different and California's landscape is quite diverse and complex. We (mostly the fed govt out west) did an excellent job suppressing fires when they were small, this all started after the great wildfires of 1910 in ID and MT. We had a policy of keeping fires under 10 acres and having them controlled by 10 am the next day, we were really really good at putting fires out, and this is to blame for most of our nations hazardous fuels accumulations, unhealthy forests, etc in conjunction with poor forestry/logging practices in some areas.

This is changing, we now how fires that are allowed to burn, if the conditions warrant. We do quite a lot of prescribed burning. We do a lot of mechanical fuels treatments. But this is all "too little, too late'. Its a huge mountain of a problem, that will keep getting worse before it gets better.

Firefighters are exposed to massive amounts of smoke these days, they are no longer working a fire "season" they work year around. Working in smoke, oftentimes sleeping in smoke. I personally know 3 friends who retired at the mandatory age of 57, and died of lung cancer shortly there after. Wildland firefighters make massive sacrifices, and are not treated nearly as well as they should be.

California's corruption has nothing to do with many California residents desire to live in what folks in the business call the Wildland Urban Interface (WUI) basically, the areas were the forests or brush meet the houses. Thousands in Californians and other westerners for that matter crave living in a home immediately adjacent to overgrown forests and brushlands, they want seclusion and privacy, and it all comes at a price. I dont know how many houses i've worked around during a wildfire, where the homeowner has their gutters completly full of dried leaves, leaves and pine needles all over around their house, cords of firewood on their porch, just WAITING TO BURN DOWN. There are a lot of dumb people out there that are every bit part of the problem, trust me.

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Originally Posted by nfhbass
I will say that there are some absolutely stunning parts of Northern Cal. I worked on a hotshot crew for a few years in that neck of the woods, some of the rivers are absolutely stunning.

You wont find steeper hills to climb thats for sure, unless you head to the salmon river breaks in ID. Those hills will turn boys to men quick!

Good luck to the wildland firefighters out there, I wish they treated you all like the professionals you are.


Dude where were you when I posted that other thread. I’m bumping it for you

Re: Fires in CA [Re: nfhbass] #15295106 01/08/25 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nfhbass
Originally Posted by BrandoA
Originally Posted by elcoyote, esq.
Originally Posted by Fish-ed
Fires are never good!


Incorrect. Since the beginning of time, fires have prevented excessive build up of fuel, and regenerate the earth (which is good)

California is a corrupt and incompetent state and has prevented residents from performing any brush or vegetation management for decades, which allows conditions that caused these current fires (which aren’t good).


Very true. Fire is mother natures vacuum.


While its true that fire has existed on almost every landscape in America for centuries every area is different and California's landscape is quite diverse and complex. We (mostly the fed govt out west) did an excellent job suppressing fires when they were small, this all started after the great wildfires of 1910 in ID and MT. We had a policy of keeping fires under 10 acres and having them controlled by 10 am the next day, we were really really good at putting fires out, and this is to blame for most of our nations hazardous fuels accumulations, unhealthy forests, etc in conjunction with poor forestry/logging practices in some areas.

This is changing, we now how fires that are allowed to burn, if the conditions warrant. We do quite a lot of prescribed burning. We do a lot of mechanical fuels treatments. But this is all "too little, too late'. Its a huge mountain of a problem, that will keep getting worse before it gets better.

Firefighters are exposed to massive amounts of smoke these days, they are no longer working a fire "season" they work year around. Working in smoke, oftentimes sleeping in smoke. I personally know 3 friends who retired at the mandatory age of 57, and died of lung cancer shortly there after. Wildland firefighters make massive sacrifices, and are not treated nearly as well as they should be.

California's corruption has nothing to do with many California residents desire to live in what folks in the business call the Wildland Urban Interface (WUI) basically, the areas were the forests or brush meet the houses. Thousands in Californians and other westerners for that matter crave living in a home immediately adjacent to overgrown forests and brushlands, they want seclusion and privacy, and it all comes at a price. I dont know how many houses i've worked around during a wildfire, where the homeowner has their gutters completly full of dried leaves, leaves and pine needles all over around their house, cords of firewood on their porch, just WAITING TO BURN DOWN. There are a lot of dumb people out there that are every bit part of the problem, trust me.


Well stated. You see something similar on a much smaller scale around Austin and the Hillcountry

Re: Fires in CA [Re: uncle_bagster] #15295113 01/08/25 05:04 PM
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For sure, Texas certainly has its wildfire problems, think back to 2011, Bastrop, PK, and a lot of TX had a terrible fire season.

Some areas are certainly safer from wildfires, but it starts with the homeowner, we can blame the govt all we want, but there is an awful lot we can do on our own to prevent our homes from burning down. There is a program called FIrewise, that can help educate folks, there is also money available to help protect your community from the risk of wildfire. Its usually one of those things "can't happen to me" until it happens.

I know in the spring of 2011 I responded to a wildfire down near Lake Livingston, it started behind a mans house, he had his burn pile going and had gone inside for a nap. well, after a 1200 ac. unthinned pine plantation had mostly burned down, we had the fire out. I can't remember what the forester out there said his timber co had lost, nearly a $1M of timber.

Got to be smart, and prepare.

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