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Re: Ray Roberts Formal Request to TPWD - Hybrid Stocking
[Re: rickt300]
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01/17/25 04:24 PM
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Dan90210 ☮
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Stocking LMB is not really how you get a good LMB fishery. Recruitment is not an issue at 95% of our Texas lakes.
Habitat and forage are way more important than backing up a truck and dumping 170k one inch baby bass into a lake... those little jokers having a 0.05% survival rate to adulthood. You are really just trying to make a long play on influencing genetics. You are not going to be catching those fish and experience better fishing because there are now just so many more bass in the lake that were stocked... does not work that way.
Adding stripers or anything with stripes on it is just more pressure on forage. Now they do not tend to feed in the same places and in the same manner as the bass do and add a fun fishery, points taken, but if 10lb lmb is what you want to see more of, I would suggest adding striped fish is not a step toward that, I would argue its a step away from that.
I would also add gar are not eating healthy LMB. Its just not a thing. A large stomach content survey was done on Texoma on Alligator gar. 138 gar stomachs were pumped and not a one had a LMB or SMB in it. Gizzard shad, common carp, river carpsucker and buffalo made up 74% of what they found. The only game fish found were channel cats, white bass and striper and those were very rare, in total accounting for less than 2% of what they found in those fish. Matter of fact the Alligator gar ate more long nose gar than they ate game fish. How do you like that?
So shooting gar with arrows, not going to improve fishing unless you like carp and buffalo. I disagree to a great extent. Having caught and surveyed myself the contents of large gars stomachs the majority had white bass, a lot of them. I have found brim, small bass and small carp. Saying a large predator won't eat certain fish varieties is junk science. They are only trying to get the hate off of gar for some reason. In my opinion removing carp would greatly improve any ecosystem. TPWD says Gar "occasionally" eat sport fish such as bass or catfish, however, "There is no evidence that alligator gar have negative impacts on sport fish populations." That is on their website... I cannot get the junk science link to work. You can google it though. Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation (ODWC) as I mentioned looked at 138 gar stomachs and found no LMB or SMB at all. Some striper, few sandies and channels but those were rare. Mostly carp, shad, suckers and drum. https://www.in-fisherman.com/editorial/gator-gar-diets-florida-bass/502602 I am not saying they never eat them, I will say I eat more bass than your avg. gar.... bet.
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Re: Ray Roberts Formal Request to TPWD - Hybrid Stocking
[Re: texasflycaster]
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01/20/25 10:51 PM
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Mo
TFF Guru
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One suggestion I would make , instead of contacting Austin , find your regional biologist with TPWD . I believe they are responsible for what lakes get stocked. Back when I fished for striped fish , I begged the Biologist for Lake Palestine to request true stripers. I had several conversations over the years , but it did no good. He was of the opinion that stripers would not do well. I still disagree. I would still love to see true stripers in Palestine.
good luck MO
MY BACKYARD , 20,000 ACRES , NO MOWING
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Re: Ray Roberts Formal Request to TPWD - Hybrid Stocking
[Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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02/01/25 05:43 PM
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rickt300
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Stocking LMB is not really how you get a good LMB fishery. Recruitment is not an issue at 95% of our Texas lakes.
Habitat and forage are way more important than backing up a truck and dumping 170k one inch baby bass into a lake... those little jokers having a 0.05% survival rate to adulthood. You are really just trying to make a long play on influencing genetics. You are not going to be catching those fish and experience better fishing because there are now just so many more bass in the lake that were stocked... does not work that way.
Adding stripers or anything with stripes on it is just more pressure on forage. Now they do not tend to feed in the same places and in the same manner as the bass do and add a fun fishery, points taken, but if 10lb lmb is what you want to see more of, I would suggest adding striped fish is not a step toward that, I would argue its a step away from that.
I would also add gar are not eating healthy LMB. Its just not a thing. A large stomach content survey was done on Texoma on Alligator gar. 138 gar stomachs were pumped and not a one had a LMB or SMB in it. Gizzard shad, common carp, river carpsucker and buffalo made up 74% of what they found. The only game fish found were channel cats, white bass and striper and those were very rare, in total accounting for less than 2% of what they found in those fish. Matter of fact the Alligator gar ate more long nose gar than they ate game fish. How do you like that?
So shooting gar with arrows, not going to improve fishing unless you like carp and buffalo. I disagree to a great extent. Having caught and surveyed myself the contents of large gars stomachs the majority had white bass, a lot of them. I have found brim, small bass and small carp. Saying a large predator won't eat certain fish varieties is junk science. They are only trying to get the hate off of gar for some reason. In my opinion removing carp would greatly improve any ecosystem. TPWD says Gar "occasionally" eat sport fish such as bass or catfish, however, "There is no evidence that alligator gar have negative impacts on sport fish populations." That is on their website... I cannot get the junk science link to work. You can google it though. Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation (ODWC) as I mentioned looked at 138 gar stomachs and found no LMB or SMB at all. Some striper, few sandies and channels but those were rare. Mostly carp, shad, suckers and drum. https://www.in-fisherman.com/editorial/gator-gar-diets-florida-bass/502602 I am not saying they never eat them, I will say I eat more bass than your avg. gar.... bet. Considering TPWD is staffed with DEI leftists from A&M yes I would consider them purveyors of junk science. Gar are opportunists, during the sand bass runs that is the easiest fish for them to get. Several years back I came upon some Gar that had been cleaned under a bridge south of Dallas. Pretty sure they had been illegally netted. 12 Gar the smallest around 80 pounds and several over 100 pounds. they had been cleaned the usual way being cut along the back lengthwise and filetted like you would cut the backstrap out of a deer. All were chock full of sand bass. I estimate the biggest gar had upwards of 40 sandbass inside them. A gar I caught out of Cedar creek on a trotline was stuffed with perch, crappie and small carp. I submit Gar eat what is available and eat a lot of it. As for Largemouth Bass I never said they were prominent but you can bet if one foolishly made itself available a hungry Gar would not hesitate. To add Shad, small carp and suckers are part of the forage base for most game fish so why not let the more popular species of fish use them?
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