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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Barrett]
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12/12/24 03:00 PM
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Mark Perry
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I've noticed my Ionic 125 go down to 12.9 at the end of the day, but I've never seen a difference in my Active Target. I don't think I've ever ran it below 50% in a full day with some running. It will change on a Garmin. Launch a jerk bait at 70 feet and see what it looks like compared to when you started the morning. Maybe its just a Garmin thing. The thing about ionics ( I have 3 50 AH trolling motor and a 125 now overkill for cranking, live well, gauges and lights etc) is why at 60 percent does a 125 AH battery start losing volts? Have you contacted Ionic or yiur seller about your battery? Reason I ask is one of their selling points is there is supposed to be no voltage drop-off as they go down in capacity. Theoretically they should ve the same at 1% as they are at 100%.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Barrett]
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12/12/24 04:18 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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I've noticed my Ionic 125 go down to 12.9 at the end of the day, but I've never seen a difference in my Active Target. I don't think I've ever ran it below 50% in a full day with some running. It will change on a Garmin. Launch a jerk bait at 70 feet and see what it looks like compared to when you started the morning. Maybe its just a Garmin thing. The thing about ionics ( I have 3 50 AH trolling motor and a 125 now overkill for cranking, live well, gauges and lights etc) is why at 60 percent does a 125 AH battery start losing volts? They start losing volts as soon as anything turns on. Every battery ever made does. The difference in the clarity of any graph changes during the day. Water clarity changes with microorganisms as they react to light. As the daylight changes, so does the need to adjust the graph for the best returns. Modern electronics have such a tightly regulated power supply, that even if you send them 16v, the unit is only allowing 12 (or so) volts into the circuits. The other 4 volts is there to empty your wallet and make you feel better. Pure snake oil.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Mark Perry]
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12/12/24 04:20 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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I've noticed my Ionic 125 go down to 12.9 at the end of the day, but I've never seen a difference in my Active Target. I don't think I've ever ran it below 50% in a full day with some running. It will change on a Garmin. Launch a jerk bait at 70 feet and see what it looks like compared to when you started the morning. Maybe its just a Garmin thing. The thing about ionics ( I have 3 50 AH trolling motor and a 125 now overkill for cranking, live well, gauges and lights etc) is why at 60 percent does a 125 AH battery start losing volts? Have you contacted Ionic or yiur seller about your battery? Reason I ask is one of their selling points is there is supposed to be no voltage drop-off as they go down in capacity. Theoretically they should ve the same at 1% as they are at 100%. That’s impossible. There will always be a voltage drop…that is how the % of charge is calculated. 99% is always lower voltage than 100%. It’s simple physics.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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12/12/24 04:43 PM
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Chris B
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I've noticed my Ionic 125 go down to 12.9 at the end of the day, but I've never seen a difference in my Active Target. I don't think I've ever ran it below 50% in a full day with some running. It will change on a Garmin. Launch a jerk bait at 70 feet and see what it looks like compared to when you started the morning. Maybe its just a Garmin thing. The thing about ionics ( I have 3 50 AH trolling motor and a 125 now overkill for cranking, live well, gauges and lights etc) is why at 60 percent does a 125 AH battery start losing volts? Have you contacted Ionic or yiur seller about your battery? Reason I ask is one of their selling points is there is supposed to be no voltage drop-off as they go down in capacity. Theoretically they should ve the same at 1% as they are at 100%. That’s impossible. There will always be a voltage drop…that is how the % of charge is calculated. 99% is always lower voltage than 100%. It’s simple physics. Correct, I have non bluetooth lithium batteries for my trolling motor. The only way to calculate % is by voltage.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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12/12/24 04:44 PM
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Mark Perry
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I've noticed my Ionic 125 go down to 12.9 at the end of the day, but I've never seen a difference in my Active Target. I don't think I've ever ran it below 50% in a full day with some running. It will change on a Garmin. Launch a jerk bait at 70 feet and see what it looks like compared to when you started the morning. Maybe its just a Garmin thing. The thing about ionics ( I have 3 50 AH trolling motor and a 125 now overkill for cranking, live well, gauges and lights etc) is why at 60 percent does a 125 AH battery start losing volts? Have you contacted Ionic or yiur seller about your battery? Reason I ask is one of their selling points is there is supposed to be no voltage drop-off as they go down in capacity. Theoretically they should ve the same at 1% as they are at 100%. That’s impossible. There will always be a voltage drop…that is how the % of charge is calculated. 99% is always lower voltage than 100%. It’s simple physics. I'm obviously not a physicist.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Jeffwhitt85]
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12/12/24 05:08 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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Nah. But you do save lives…so that’s pretty bad [censored] in its own. ^^^
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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12/12/24 05:10 PM
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Mark Perry
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Nah. But you do save lives…so that’s pretty bad [censored] in its own. ^^^ I'm just one part of a team that helps people. I don't do any of it on my own. I appreciate the thoughts though. On the battery deal I guess I was thinking of the lithium trolling batteries where they don't slow down they just die when they hit zero unlike wet cell/AGM.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Jeffwhitt85]
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12/12/24 05:17 PM
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For those of you who are wondering about voltage drop on lithiums here you go. If you have less at your graph it’s your wiring. As far as image clarity, again it’s wiring or need to adjust gain like Steeze said. Water clarity changes throughout the day and even in different parts of the lake.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Jeffwhitt85]
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12/12/24 05:49 PM
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Chris B
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And when I said 12.9 volts, that’s at the graph. Not the battery.
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Re: Lithium battery
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12/12/24 07:15 PM
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Wet cell for starting (wally world battery), dedicated 100ah lithium for electronics, two 100ah lithium's for the TM. I would ask an experienced marine engine mechanic and see what they say. They know what you should be using, and what you should stay away from. Awesome. Thanks
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Jeffwhitt85]
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12/12/24 09:58 PM
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Allison1
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Have you tried starting your engine to get your screen back running better? If your graph is showing more than a tenth you could probably improve your situation with bigger wire from the battery to the graph.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: Chris B]
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12/13/24 01:05 AM
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goodman_fishing
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Goodness, this thread is all over the place. Is it Spring yet?
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: goodman_fishing]
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12/13/24 01:31 AM
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SteezMacQueen
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Goodness, this thread is all over the place. Is it Spring yet? Man. It ain’t even winter yet.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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12/13/24 02:59 PM
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Barrett
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I've noticed my Ionic 125 go down to 12.9 at the end of the day, but I've never seen a difference in my Active Target. I don't think I've ever ran it below 50% in a full day with some running. It will change on a Garmin. Launch a jerk bait at 70 feet and see what it looks like compared to when you started the morning. Maybe its just a Garmin thing. The thing about ionics ( I have 3 50 AH trolling motor and a 125 now overkill for cranking, live well, gauges and lights etc) is why at 60 percent does a 125 AH battery start losing volts? Have you contacted Ionic or yiur seller about your battery? Reason I ask is one of their selling points is there is supposed to be no voltage drop-off as they go down in capacity. Theoretically they should ve the same at 1% as they are at 100%. That’s impossible. There will always be a voltage drop…that is how the % of charge is calculated. 99% is always lower voltage than 100%. It’s simple physics. They all do it Mark. I have checked the volts at the battery and it reads the exact same as it does at the Garmin- just on hour 8 or so on a 125 IONIC (depending on the load of course) you will see your volts start to drop and change the picture. I have spoken to a friend of mine who is literally a Garmin engineer and makes this stuff. Ive seen this on 3 boats, all new, all top notch wiring etc. But in the winter when it gets good I will go out at day break and stay on the graph until sundown. Not much running around. So Im not putting a lithium battery for electronics through what most people are. All my problems solved with a 100AH dedicated 16 volt battery- it's a BEAST. It has nothing to do with the water clarity magically changing in a matter of hours... it has to do with the battery but not many are going to experience it because most are not spending a 10-12 hour day on the water when it's 35 degrees outside.
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Re: Lithium battery
[Re: tmd11111]
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12/13/24 03:07 PM
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WAWI
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For those of you who are wondering about voltage drop on lithiums here you go. If you have less at your graph it’s your wiring. As far as image clarity, again it’s wiring or need to adjust gain like Steeze said. Water clarity changes throughout the day and even in different parts of the lake. I use one of those batteries to run my garmin and scope at the bow. I would say that chart is 100 percent accurate.
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