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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: RedRaider3933] #15232585 10/31/24 05:00 PM
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Furthermore, I think the anglers' biggest concern at this point may be maintaining the cash inflow from the sponsors they currently hold. I could definitely see company XYZ saying, "well, they don't have to pay entries anymore so we can decrease our monetary commitment to Joe Blow Angler and still get the same exposure." If that happens, then the anglers are really going to be taking it in the shorts. I would like to think the industry is tighter than that but at the end of the day it is about making money and cutting that expense inflates the bottom line.

I'm honestly surprised companies today even sponsor tournament anglers. With the advent of social media, I think they'd be better off finding non-tournament anglers who are social media influencers. I'm a younger guy and can't name but a few of pros on the Elites circuit right now, but I could probably fire off 15-20 angling YouTubers who have a large following.

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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15232599 10/31/24 05:12 PM
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The biggest difference I see is the risk upfront. And less guys will lose money.


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15232605 10/31/24 05:22 PM
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If you think about it it only hurts the guys that do well roflmao Its like a redistribution of wealth

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Tx Tree Grower] #15232615 10/31/24 05:28 PM
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Nobody ever told them they had to fish for a living. They can get a different job if the money they need isn’t there.


This is correct answer if we are being brutally honest

Originally Posted by Tx Tree Grower
You can't please tournament bass fishermen. The expectations at the highest levels of tournament bass fishing are just unrealistic. People need to get the idea out of their head that one day pro fishermen will get paid like pro athletes of popular sports. It's never gonna happen. Tournament bass fishing is gambling. Pure and simple. You are always going to be competing for other peoples money. That's the game. If you have expectations otherwise, you probably need to start thinking about a career change and put bass fishing back into the hobby category where it really belongs.

Yeh. I can just dream. I get a 240m contract to be mediocre at bass fishing. That’s the REAL good life. roflmao


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15232683 10/31/24 06:50 PM
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I saw this elsewhere when someone broke it down.


So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places


Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Mark Perry] #15232692 10/31/24 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
I saw this elsewhere when someone broke it down.


So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places



Is that based on the 103 anglers' finishes from last year plugged directly into the new payout structure? I guess the only way 63 would do better is if they made less than $45k in winnings last year. Plug those finishes into the new payout and technically they don't "lose" anything and come out "better". Maybe I'll just go ahead and do the full breakdown. I've seen some pretty shoddy excel work floating around on the socials thus far.


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: RedRaider3933] #15232702 10/31/24 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRaider3933
Originally Posted by Mark Perry
I saw this elsewhere when someone broke it down.


So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places



Is that based on the 103 anglers' finishes from last year plugged directly into the new payout structure? I guess the only way 63 would do better is if they made less than $45k in winnings last year. Plug those finishes into the new payout and technically they don't "lose" anything and come out "better". Maybe I'll just go ahead and do the full breakdown. I've seen some pretty shoddy excel work floating around on the socials thus far.


Here is his explanantion:

I took last year's and 2025's payout schedules, put them in excel, and came up with the following: when you consider everyone starting at -$5000 for every tournament in 2024:

2025 payouts are BETTER than 2024 for :
- 1st place
- 11th through 18th
- 51st through 103rd.




2025 payouts are the SAME as 2024 for:
- 2nd through 10th place
- 19th place


2025 payouts are WORSE than 2024 for:
- 20th through 50th place




So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places


So all things being equal, the new scheme should help more anglers than it hurts, if their sponsor circumstances and performance were the same as 2024. It would be worse for those anglers who consistently land in that range of 20th to 50th.

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15232792 10/31/24 09:14 PM
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My previous post was incorrect. I had an error in my sheets.

I was bored so I put all of the tournament results in excel as well.

Only 5 out of the top 45 anglers would make more money under the 2025 structure.

56 Anglers would make more money under 2025 Structure.
1 Would break even.
46 Anglers would make less.


So while Bass is describing this as a pay for Performance Plan, it is heavily skewed to benefitting those that did not perform.


I sitll believe they should reduce payouts for tournaments and apply that money to AOY standings. IMO consistency throughout the year should mean more than a single win.

Athletes don't earn big contracts based on a single big game, they have to be consistent throughout the year.

Unless I have another error these are the numbers I'm showing for the top 40. Includes tournament payouts, AOY Payouts, and Classic Payout. Does not include other Contigency money.

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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: sprigsss] #15232800 10/31/24 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sprigsss
My previous post was incorrect. I had an error in my sheets.

I was bored so I put all of the tournament results in excel as well.

Only 5 out of the top 45 anglers would make more money under the 2025 structure.

56 Anglers would make more money under 2025 Structure.
1 Would break even.
46 Anglers would make less.


So while Bass is describing this as a pay for Performance Plan, it is heavily skewed to benefitting those that did not perform.


I sitll believe they should reduce payouts for tournaments and apply that money to AOY standings. IMO consistency throughout the year should mean more than a single win.

Athletes don't earn big contracts based on a single big game, they have to be consistent throughout the year.

Unless I have another error these are the numbers I'm showing for the top 40. Includes tournament payouts, AOY Payouts, and Classic Payout. Does not include other Contigency money.

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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: RedRaider3933] #15232851 10/31/24 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRaider3933
Furthermore, I think the anglers' biggest concern at this point may be maintaining the cash inflow from the sponsors they currently hold. I could definitely see company XYZ saying, "well, they don't have to pay entries anymore so we can decrease our monetary commitment to Joe Blow Angler and still get the same exposure." If that happens, then the anglers are really going to be taking it in the shorts. I would like to think the industry is tighter than that but at the end of the day it is about making money and cutting that expense inflates the bottom line.



The sponsor companies are not paying these guys based on what entry fees are. They pay them based on what they expect the pro to do to help the company's bottom line. Several pros have posted since yesterday that companies pay the pros direct. From whatever sponsor money or personal money the pro has that is what pays the entry fees.
The pro abd sponsor dynamic is not changed at all by these changes.

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15232869 10/31/24 11:01 PM
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Maybe Basschamps will adopt the no entry fees format. Oh wait, then there would be some sort of qualifying to get in I would have to do. Never mind!


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: SteezMacQueen] #15232871 10/31/24 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
Originally Posted by sprigsss
My previous post was incorrect. I had an error in my sheets.

I was bored so I put all of the tournament results in excel as well.

Only 5 out of the top 45 anglers would make more money under the 2025 structure.

56 Anglers would make more money under 2025 Structure.
1 Would break even.
46 Anglers would make less.


So while Bass is describing this as a pay for Performance Plan, it is heavily skewed to benefitting those that did not perform.


I sitll believe they should reduce payouts for tournaments and apply that money to AOY standings. IMO consistency throughout the year should mean more than a single win.

Athletes don't earn big contracts based on a single big game, they have to be consistent throughout the year.

Unless I have another error these are the numbers I'm showing for the top 40. Includes tournament payouts, AOY Payouts, and Classic Payout. Does not include other Contigency money.

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Nerd much? roflmao

Lol exactly

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: sprigsss] #15232877 10/31/24 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sprigsss
My previous post was incorrect. I had an error in my sheets.

I was bored so I put all of the tournament results in excel as well.

Only 5 out of the top 45 anglers would make more money under the 2025 structure.

56 Anglers would make more money under 2025 Structure.
1 Would break even.
46 Anglers would make less.


So while Bass is describing this as a pay for Performance Plan, it is heavily skewed to benefitting those that did not perform.


I sitll believe they should reduce payouts for tournaments and apply that money to AOY standings. IMO consistency throughout the year should mean more than a single win.

Athletes don't earn big contracts based on a single big game, they have to be consistent throughout the year.

Unless I have another error these are the numbers I'm showing for the top 40. Includes tournament payouts, AOY Payouts, and Classic Payout. Does not include other Contigency money.

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Ummmmmmm, but they aren’t spending $45,000 now. Sounds like it’s all profit from day 1. Well, as much as possible anyway.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by sprigsss
My previous post was incorrect. I had an error in my sheets.

I was bored so I put all of the tournament results in excel as well.

Only 5 out of the top 45 anglers would make more money under the 2025 structure.

56 Anglers would make more money under 2025 Structure.
1 Would break even.
46 Anglers would make less.


So while Bass is describing this as a pay for Performance Plan, it is heavily skewed to benefitting those that did not perform.


I sitll believe they should reduce payouts for tournaments and apply that money to AOY standings. IMO consistency throughout the year should mean more than a single win.

Athletes don't earn big contracts based on a single big game, they have to be consistent throughout the year.

Unless I have another error these are the numbers I'm showing for the top 40. Includes tournament payouts, AOY Payouts, and Classic Payout. Does not include other Contigency money.

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Ummmmmmm, but they aren’t spending $45,000 now. Sounds like it’s all profit from day 1. Well, as much as possible anyway.


Should have stated it’s Payouts minus Entries.

What can I say, I use excel everyday for work, have spreadsheets for just about everything, and was bored with a little time, and I was curious.

I don’t really care one way or the other.

If you’ve done really well, it probably won’t hurt too bad. If you struggle it will help ease the sting.

I think it’s a positive you they don’t start the season $45,000 in the hole, just don’t know how you can call it “Pay for Performance, when the guys at the bottom are gaining the most. Can describe it lots of ways, but that way ain’t it.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by sprigsss
My previous post was incorrect. I had an error in my sheets.

I was bored so I put all of the tournament results in excel as well.

Only 5 out of the top 45 anglers would make more money under the 2025 structure.

56 Anglers would make more money under 2025 Structure.
1 Would break even.
46 Anglers would make less.


So while Bass is describing this as a pay for Performance Plan, it is heavily skewed to benefitting those that did not perform.


I sitll believe they should reduce payouts for tournaments and apply that money to AOY standings. IMO consistency throughout the year should mean more than a single win.

Athletes don't earn big contracts based on a single big game, they have to be consistent throughout the year.

Unless I have another error these are the numbers I'm showing for the top 40. Includes tournament payouts, AOY Payouts, and Classic Payout. Does not include other Contigency money.

[Linked Image]





Ummmmmmm, but they aren’t spending $45,000 now. Sounds like it’s all profit from day 1. Well, as much as possible anyway.


I think its just a slower death for some. 40th money wont cover travel now. Castledine video was pretty good on it. Miliken is putting video out shortly and it will be interesting as I think he is better at math than most of the rest.

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