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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: grout-scout] #15235133 11/03/24 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
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So if I qualify for the Elites, all I gotta do is show up and I got a shot at $100k? Yea Im not interested in that.



Wellllllll…..you know……apparently they aren’t worried about first place, they just worry about anything else. I still can’t fathom how guys can cry about saving $45k, which makes every drop of their sponsorship money pure profit.

If the payouts for guys that always finish top 50 is now a lot less than 45k than it’s a net loss for the top half of the field even with no entry fee. The big winners here are the back half of the field that has a big sponsor presence- think guys like swindle, iconelli, Martin, etc.

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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15235163 11/03/24 04:30 PM
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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: grout-scout] #15235193 11/03/24 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by Champion1
So if I qualify for the Elites, all I gotta do is show up and I got a shot at $100k? Yea Im not interested in that.



Wellllllll…..you know……apparently they aren’t worried about first place, they just worry about anything else. I still can’t fathom how guys can cry about saving $45k, which makes every drop of their sponsorship money pure profit.

It was not their 45k for most of them. They want the pot to be bigger. That is why the BPT pros voted for entry fees.


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15235227 11/03/24 05:27 PM
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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: pchapin] #15235252 11/03/24 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pchapin

It was not their 45k for most of them. They want the pot to be bigger. That is why the BPT pros voted for entry fees.



First, if it’s not their $45k then who’s was it. If you’re going to say “the sponsors”. Then that’s exactly what I just said, it’s free money to them directly from the sponsors either way. Of course they want more, who doesn’t. They should start charging us to watch them and see how much they are really cared about.


Second, MLF anglers voted for NO entry fees, the following year, Boyd changed it and said “if they wanted a place to fish, there would be entry fees. The anglers didn’t get a vote on re-instating the entry fee. I don’t recall which podcast that was on, but he basically said fishermen were stupid and clueless about financial items. He’s not wrong there.

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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: grout-scout] #15235281 11/03/24 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
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It was not their 45k for most of them. They want the pot to be bigger. That is why the BPT pros voted for entry fees.



First, if it’s not their $45k then who’s was it. If you’re going to say “the sponsors”. Then that’s exactly what I just said, it’s free money to them directly from the sponsors either way. Of course they want more, who doesn’t. They should start charging us to watch them and see how much they are really cared about.


Second, MLF anglers voted for NO entry fees, the following year, Boyd changed it and said “if they wanted a place to fish, there would be entry fees. The anglers didn’t get a vote on re-instating the entry fee. I don’t recall which podcast that was on, but he basically said fishermen were stupid and clueless about financial items. He’s not wrong there.

You have been mis informed. The BPT anglers voted for entry fees to be added because they wanted a bigger pot. For most, the 45k was paid either directly or indirectly by sponsors. If you make the elites and can't get at least entry fees paid, it is time to wake up and go home.


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15235290 11/03/24 06:37 PM
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Per BassFan.

"(Paying entry fees is) what we've done our whole lives and it certainly contributes to making big prize money," said MLF co-founder and competitor Boyd Duckett. "This is a short-term economic challenge for MLF and these participation fees are necessary in this environment.
"When we all voted on it, my vote was to continue entry fees because I think our sport needs better payout. Our league is growing and emerging and we've been successful, but we're a long way from million-dollar payouts. When we reach the point where we can have (a vote on fees) again, we'll have to have a lot of dialog to determine if it's really the right direction. The fans and sponsors forgot that we don't pay entry fees and we were being compared directly to leagues that paid a little less than we did. It's something that the world might not be ready for."


Entire story in case I broke some kind of copyright.



https://bassfan.com/news_article/9969/bpt-anglers-likely-to-pay-entry-fees-in-21


And not trying to argue, I just remembered because the podcast was a “wow” to me interview with him. The man’s smart, but also pretty shrewd.

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: WAWI] #15235742 11/04/24 02:14 AM
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Nobody ever told them they had to fish for a living. They can get a different job if the money they need isn’t there.


This is correct answer if we are being brutally honest

Honestly being brutally honest is not looked upon favorably these days!


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Chris B] #15236209 11/04/24 04:14 PM
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Not sure whose more insufferable and delusional these days, Professional Bass Anglers or WNBA players.

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: grout-scout] #15236342 11/04/24 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
but he basically said fishermen were stupid and clueless about financial items. He’s not wrong there.

That he is not.

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: Mark Perry] #15236725 11/05/24 12:39 AM
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I saw this elsewhere when someone broke it down.


So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places



Is that based on the 103 anglers' finishes from last year plugged directly into the new payout structure? I guess the only way 63 would do better is if they made less than $45k in winnings last year. Plug those finishes into the new payout and technically they don't "lose" anything and come out "better". Maybe I'll just go ahead and do the full breakdown. I've seen some pretty shoddy excel work floating around on the socials thus far.


Here is his explanantion:

I took last year's and 2025's payout schedules, put them in excel, and came up with the following: when you consider everyone starting at -$5000 for every tournament in 2024:

2025 payouts are BETTER than 2024 for :
- 1st place
- 11th through 18th
- 51st through 103rd.




2025 payouts are the SAME as 2024 for:
- 2nd through 10th place
- 19th place


2025 payouts are WORSE than 2024 for:
- 20th through 50th place




So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places


So all things being equal, the new scheme should help more anglers than it hurts, if their sponsor circumstances and performance were the same as 2024. It would be worse for those anglers who consistently land in that range of 20th to 50th.




If this is accurate, which from all I've seen it seems it is, BASS really missed on this. It wouldn't have taken someone at BASS that long to run the numbers for each individual angler year over year, and/or over a 3 year period and see how the numbers shook out. I'm shocked they didn't. This is not paying for performance, it's more protecting the guys who aren't. They'll have to make some adjustments.

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No entry fee. Payout sucks.

Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: wanta10lbbass] #15237095 11/05/24 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wanta10lbbass
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I saw this elsewhere when someone broke it down.


So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places



Is that based on the 103 anglers' finishes from last year plugged directly into the new payout structure? I guess the only way 63 would do better is if they made less than $45k in winnings last year. Plug those finishes into the new payout and technically they don't "lose" anything and come out "better". Maybe I'll just go ahead and do the full breakdown. I've seen some pretty shoddy excel work floating around on the socials thus far.


Here is his explanantion:

I took last year's and 2025's payout schedules, put them in excel, and came up with the following: when you consider everyone starting at -$5000 for every tournament in 2024:

2025 payouts are BETTER than 2024 for :
- 1st place
- 11th through 18th
- 51st through 103rd.




2025 payouts are the SAME as 2024 for:
- 2nd through 10th place
- 19th place


2025 payouts are WORSE than 2024 for:
- 20th through 50th place




So out of 103 places (assuming same field size as last year) 2025 payouts are :
- better for 63 places
- same for 10 places
- worse for 31 places


So all things being equal, the new scheme should help more anglers than it hurts, if their sponsor circumstances and performance were the same as 2024. It would be worse for those anglers who consistently land in that range of 20th to 50th.




If this is accurate, which from all I've seen it seems it is, BASS really missed on this. It wouldn't have taken someone at BASS that long to run the numbers for each individual angler year over year, and/or over a 3 year period and see how the numbers shook out. I'm shocked they didn't. This is not paying for performance, it's more protecting the guys who aren't. They'll have to make some adjustments.


If you read or listen to the thing BASS put out thats exactly what they did, they took this payout and took the last 3 or 4 years and i think it would have benefitted everybody or a very high percentage. So, if they let this go then most will benefit over the course of multiple years. Im not running the numbers but somebody is free to check that

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Does this mean that Elite Anglers are now eligible for Amatuer Tournament Trails since they aren't entering tournaments with entry fees above $1500 or so? Do Amateur trails need to change their qualifications?


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Re: Entry fees gone for the Bass Elites [Re: David Burton] #15237366 11/05/24 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by David Burton
Does this mean that Elite Anglers are now eligible for Amatuer Tournament Trails since they aren't entering tournaments with entry fees above $1500 or so? Do Amateur trails need to change their qualifications?

Really shoddy loophole to use, sounds like something the Johnson bro's would take advantage of

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