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 Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: Sinkey]
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10/31/24 07:27 PM
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lconn4
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I exclusively use an improved clinch for all my knots line to hook or fly except the occasional loop knot. Never had an issue bass fishing any application with the imp clinch. This. If something as simple as tying a good knot design, vs an inferior knot design would land more fish, why would you choose the inferior knot? The improved clinch is on average 10% weaker that the line it’s tied with. The Palomar is on average 10% STRONGER than the line it’s tied with. Why loose 20% of the capable strength when the Palomar is easier to tie? ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2024/10/full-93588-246640-img_2369.png)  You brought out a knot chart???? ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/2ovHlbA.gif)
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: ChanceHuiet]
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10/31/24 09:40 PM
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Marion Morrison
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You HAVE to tie the Palomar correctly. That's my main knot with every line and I can't remember the last time I broke off. It's been years. Take your time, pay attention to not twisting or overlapping your loops, and wet before cinching down.
Then never ever slack line hookset light flouro. Pull and reel only. You're issues will go away. I think wetting it is a big deal (in more ways than one).......
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: NateRich5797]
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11/01/24 05:01 PM
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TCCowboy64
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I use the Palomar knot with everything. Never once had an issue with it. And when I do get hung up and have to break it, it sounds like I just shot .22 from the boat. This is with Berkley XL 17#. I use Berkley XL 12# on my cranks.
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: NateRich5797]
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11/06/24 03:10 PM
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Tom Z
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Fine points for tying the Palomar:
1. (already mentioned) put the knot in your mouth and wet it before you cinch it up. This is crucial, especially with fluoro or fluoro blends..
2. Before you final tighten it, flick the loop down over the knot to the hook shank with your thumbnail, then final tighten.
Easier to tie with lighter lines, pay more attention to the detail tying heavier lines.
3.Final point: always pull test every new knot.
In my experience about 17 yrs using the knot exclusively, cutting off worn line above the hook eliminates any question of knot wear.
Easy to tie in the dark too.
If you are losing wacky rig fish, go to the next size larger hook. especially with stick baits.
Tom Z
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: NateRich5797]
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11/08/24 10:22 PM
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txmasterpo
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Quit using braid....the end
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: txmasterpo]
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11/08/24 10:42 PM
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Smurfs
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Quit using braid....the end 
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: Smurfs]
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11/08/24 10:51 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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Quit using braid....the end Wrong. ….youd spend 5 minutes every other cast getting the twist out of your line.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: NateRich5797]
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11/13/24 07:50 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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I've been having a big issue having my line snap right at the knot on the hookset. I use a 7 foot medium spinning rod, 20 lb Power Pro, and a 10 lb Sunline Sniper leader. The last 4 times I've gone out the line has snapped all 4 times. I was thinking that maybe the line was too light, so upped it to a 12 lb Sunline Sniper leader, and still had the same outcome. Then I started thinking that maybe the fluoro was just too stiff, so tried a co-polymer 10 lb line, but that snapped too. Is my hook set just wrong? Once I detect the bite, I reel up the slack, and then hit them. Not quite as hard as I would a TX Rig, but probably 75% of a TX Rig hook set. Every time I set the hook less than that, I almost never hook them, and then wish I would have set the hook harder. What's weird about it as well is I don't have any other issues with other rigs. I fish shaky heads and TX Rigs with the same setup, but with zero problems. Is the fish's teeth cutting my line?? Should I scrap the braid, and go straight fluoro or co-polymer? Soooo many questions, so few answers. Let me know what you think.
Thanks Caught this DD bass on a wacky rigged senko. 8lb INVISX leader with a Palomar knot. Nothing wrong with using that knot or size line. ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2024/11/full-93588-249042-5187409352650633400.jpeg)
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: NateRich5797]
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11/13/24 08:57 PM
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CCTX
mapquest
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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11/13/24 09:27 PM
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tmd11111
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I've been having a big issue having my line snap right at the knot on the hookset. I use a 7 foot medium spinning rod, 20 lb Power Pro, and a 10 lb Sunline Sniper leader. The last 4 times I've gone out the line has snapped all 4 times. I was thinking that maybe the line was too light, so upped it to a 12 lb Sunline Sniper leader, and still had the same outcome. Then I started thinking that maybe the fluoro was just too stiff, so tried a co-polymer 10 lb line, but that snapped too. Is my hook set just wrong? Once I detect the bite, I reel up the slack, and then hit them. Not quite as hard as I would a TX Rig, but probably 75% of a TX Rig hook set. Every time I set the hook less than that, I almost never hook them, and then wish I would have set the hook harder. What's weird about it as well is I don't have any other issues with other rigs. I fish shaky heads and TX Rigs with the same setup, but with zero problems. Is the fish's teeth cutting my line?? Should I scrap the braid, and go straight fluoro or co-polymer? Soooo many questions, so few answers. Let me know what you think.
Thanks Caught this DD bass on a wacky rigged senko. 8lb INVISX leader with a Palomar knot. Nothing wrong with using that knot or size line. Matching bellies. JK, nice catch
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: tmd11111]
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11/13/24 09:30 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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I've been having a big issue having my line snap right at the knot on the hookset. I use a 7 foot medium spinning rod, 20 lb Power Pro, and a 10 lb Sunline Sniper leader. The last 4 times I've gone out the line has snapped all 4 times. I was thinking that maybe the line was too light, so upped it to a 12 lb Sunline Sniper leader, and still had the same outcome. Then I started thinking that maybe the fluoro was just too stiff, so tried a co-polymer 10 lb line, but that snapped too. Is my hook set just wrong? Once I detect the bite, I reel up the slack, and then hit them. Not quite as hard as I would a TX Rig, but probably 75% of a TX Rig hook set. Every time I set the hook less than that, I almost never hook them, and then wish I would have set the hook harder. What's weird about it as well is I don't have any other issues with other rigs. I fish shaky heads and TX Rigs with the same setup, but with zero problems. Is the fish's teeth cutting my line?? Should I scrap the braid, and go straight fluoro or co-polymer? Soooo many questions, so few answers. Let me know what you think.
Thanks Caught this DD bass on a wacky rigged senko. 8lb INVISX leader with a Palomar knot. Nothing wrong with using that knot or size line. Matching bellies. JK, nice catch Ate too many Zingers Sunday morning. Haha.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: NateRich5797]
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11/14/24 02:37 PM
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Tx Tree Grower
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Sounds to me like you are using quality line and good enough knots. I would go back and look at yourself and your setup. The "hook set" on a spinning rod really is nothing like power fishing. You are really just leaning into the fish with a spinning rod. Sounds to me like you need to adjust your hookset and or use a rod with a little more flex. These days saying a "medium" rod isn't really saying much at all. There is so much variability among rods. Try a less stiff rod. I've had one kid in particular that fished with us that broke off on the hook set often while finesse fishing. I put a falcon medium light moderate slow in his hand and it helped him alot. Personally I like a little more stiff rod than that but it worked for him. Try some different rods and maybe back off on the hook set some.
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Re: Wacky Rig Experts
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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11/20/24 10:17 PM
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txmasterpo
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Quit using braid....the end Wrong. ….youd spend 5 minutes every other cast getting the twist out of your line. You maybe....I do not
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