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 Re: Israel under attack
[Re: doctorxring]
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10/02/24 11:41 AM
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If you guys want to see the Truth about Iran’s attack on Israel I suggest you go to the X account that sent this post. There you can see the video evidence of the results of the attack. 90% success on their missile strikes. It’s a joke that Israel and the U.S. are saying that their “Iron Dome” is knocking out almost all of Iran’s missiles, which includes many hypersonics. Iran has purposely chosen only military targets. Bottom line — Sometimes you get what you ask for. P.S. If you think the U.S.can intercede with their carrier groups then you haven’t grasped the level of success of this strike. They can blow the U.S. carriers out of the water as well as any target in Israel with their hypersonic missiles. ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2024/10/full-5094-243940-img_3160.jpeg) I learned quite a bit overnight about all this. 1. The Iron Dome wasn't used at all during this attack. The Iron dome is a low altitude close range defense system against small rockets from Gaza or Lebanon. Each missile cost the US taxpayers about $50K 2. In addition to the Iron Dome Israel has three other missile defense systems. David's Sling (Mid-range low altitude, $1M per missile) and Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 (Long range high altitude $3.M per missile.) We pay for most all of it. 3. Arrow 2 & 3 missiles are required to intercept ballistic missiles. 4. Iranian ballistic missiles are typically around $80K each. 5. US intelligence gave Israel several hours warning the attack was imminent. 6. Each missile Iran launches immediately has its flight path analyzed, since they follow a ballistic path and are not maneuverable it's very easy to quickly determine where they will land. 7. If the cost benefit analysis of shooting the missile down is not great enough, the missiles are not targeted and allowed to hit. 8. Most of the Iranian missiles did not target strategically significant military assets or civilian areas, thus many were allowed to pass through. 9. Iran's ballistic missiles are hypersonic in the same sense V2 missiles from WW2 were hypersonic. Drop something heavy and bullet shaped from high enough and it will end up going pretty fast. 10. The real definition of a hypersonic missile is a missile that can exceed Mach 5 while also being maneuverable. Iran does not have this.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: Jpurdue]
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10/02/24 12:07 PM
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If you guys want to see the Truth about Iran’s attack on Israel I suggest you go to the X account that sent this post. There you can see the video evidence of the results of the attack. 90% success on their missile strikes. It’s a joke that Israel and the U.S. are saying that their “Iron Dome” is knocking out almost all of Iran’s missiles, which includes many hypersonics. Iran has purposely chosen only military targets.
Bottom line — Sometimes you get what you ask for.
P.S. If you think the U.S.can intercede with their carrier groups then you haven’t grasped the level of success of this strike. They can blow the U.S. carriers out of the water as well as any target in Israel with their hypersonic missiles.
Calling BS on your idea of the 'truth" and blowing US carriers out of the water. Some of the missiles knocked down was from the nearby US Navy. Go Navy! 
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: YEE_YEE]
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10/02/24 12:20 PM
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I think the good doctor is just trying to stir the crowd with some sarcasm.
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Re: Israel under attack
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10/02/24 01:20 PM
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They pay for it 2 fold in intelligence. Without them and their intelligence in that volatile part of the world, we would be flying blind. Not everything comes down to dollars and cents. Just my  worth.[/quote] And what evidence do you have? We have the best military and intelligence gathering agencies in the world. Israel probably doesn't do anything significant for us. It's not an ally, it's a dependency. Why do you think Noo Noo comes over to see Daddy for reassurance and billions in military aid? If we don't cooperate, the Jewish Lobby uses its leverage and everybody falls back in line. It is doubtful that Israel would still exist if it wasn't for the US. [/quote] Actually, I think you might be wrong. I have a very good friend who is retired after 24 years in Special Forces and his specialty was intelligence. He said Israel is by far and a way the best in this area and he said they probably have the best SF on earth as well. He worked with them very closely.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: RayBob]
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10/02/24 01:20 PM
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I think most of the terrorist activity started after 1948. (Not including Jewish terrorists that bombed the British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine in the King David Hotel.) About 90 people died. Israel was created by forcing Palestinians from their land and giving it to the Jewish state. Gaza and the West bank are oppressed by the Zionists, but nobody cares, especially in the OT section because it's only Muslims being oppressed. Most American Christians are okay with that because it was done to the Native Americans under manifest destiny. Slavery was also justified with reference to God. People shouldn't be so sure of their religious beliefs when they collide with justice and fairness. The Jewish religion rejected Christ. The Quran accepts Christ as a prophet.
I think your timeline is way off but your Muslim speak is well noted.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: Der Vorsteher]
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10/02/24 01:32 PM
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They pay for it 2 fold in intelligence. Without them and their intelligence in that volatile part of the world, we would be flying blind. Not everything comes down to dollars and cents. Just my worth. And what evidence do you have? We have the best military and intelligence gathering agencies in the world. Israel probably doesn't do anything significant for us. It's not an ally, it's a dependency. Why do you think Noo Noo comes over to see Daddy for reassurance and billions in military aid? If we don't cooperate, the Jewish Lobby uses its leverage and everybody falls back in line. It is doubtful that Israel would still exist if it wasn't for the US. Actually, I think you might be wrong. I have a very good friend who is retired after 24 years in Special Forces and his specialty was intelligence. He said Israel is by far and a way the best in this area and he said they probably have the best SF on earth as well. He worked with them very closely. They may have better HUMINT strictly due to their location but that’s where I’d draw the line. We have intelligence gathering resources and assets that far surpass anything they have. I spent 16 years circling over the worst parts of the world collecting intelligence that any other country in the world was incapable of. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt…we were never flying blind and that had absolutely nothing to do with Israel’s intel
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Re: Israel under attack
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10/02/24 01:33 PM
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Here's my prediction... It does not matter whether we spend 0 dollars or a trillion dollars supporting Israel. 1 year from now, 10 years from now, and a hundred years from now... Jews and Muslims will still be bickering and killing each other in that region. Absolutely nothing will change.
It was the exact same thing in 1948. They knew war was going to start as soon as Israel was established. IMO the UN should have put a buffer zone between them back then. Israel needed workers and both sides would have more likely to work with each other than leaving them alone to go at each other. We could still do something similar. It would cost less and solve some of the middle east problem, IMO. I think most of the terrorist activity started after 1948. (Not including Jewish terrorists that bombed the British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine in the King David Hotel.) About 90 people died. Israel was created by forcing Palestinians from their land and giving it to the Jewish state. Gaza and the West bank are oppressed by the Zionists, but nobody cares, especially in the OT section because it's only Muslims being oppressed. Most American Christians are okay with that because it was done to the Native Americans under manifest destiny. Slavery was also justified with reference to God. People shouldn't be so sure of their religious beliefs when they collide with justice and fairness. The Jewish religion rejected Christ. The Quran accepts Christ as a prophet. It’s amazing how the uneducated start history on the most convenient place in the timeline to fit the narrative. You sound really dumb.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: Jaredk]
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10/02/24 01:46 PM
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They pay for it 2 fold in intelligence. Without them and their intelligence in that volatile part of the world, we would be flying blind. Not everything comes down to dollars and cents. Just my worth. And what evidence do you have? We have the best military and intelligence gathering agencies in the world. Israel probably doesn't do anything significant for us. It's not an ally, it's a dependency. Why do you think Noo Noo comes over to see Daddy for reassurance and billions in military aid? If we don't cooperate, the Jewish Lobby uses its leverage and everybody falls back in line. It is doubtful that Israel would still exist if it wasn't for the US. Actually, I think you might be wrong. I have a very good friend who is retired after 24 years in Special Forces and his specialty was intelligence. He said Israel is by far and a way the best in this area and he said they probably have the best SF on earth as well. He worked with them very closely. They may have better HUMINT strictly due to their location but that’s where I’d draw the line. We have intelligence gathering resources and assets that far surpass anything they have. I spent 16 years circling over the worst parts of the world collecting intelligence that any other country in the world was incapable of. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt…we were never flying blind and that had absolutely nothing to do with Israel’s intel That was my point….”due to their location”, the intelligence they provide is invaluable. Without them there, our intelligence gathering capabilities in that part of the world would suffer greatly. Anyone who doesn’t believe that is….well an idiot. My apologies…flying blind was an analogy….not a slight to a pilot. I sure any pilot in the armed forces, with our technology could fly blind and it wouldn’t matter.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: Wool E. Booger]
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10/02/24 01:53 PM
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They pay for it 2 fold in intelligence. Without them and their intelligence in that volatile part of the world, we would be flying blind. Not everything comes down to dollars and cents. Just my worth. And what evidence do you have? We have the best military and intelligence gathering agencies in the world. Israel probably doesn't do anything significant for us. It's not an ally, it's a dependency. Why do you think Noo Noo comes over to see Daddy for reassurance and billions in military aid? If we don't cooperate, the Jewish Lobby uses its leverage and everybody falls back in line. It is doubtful that Israel would still exist if it wasn't for the US. Actually, I think you might be wrong. I have a very good friend who is retired after 24 years in Special Forces and his specialty was intelligence. He said Israel is by far and a way the best in this area and he said they probably have the best SF on earth as well. He worked with them very closely. They may have better HUMINT strictly due to their location but that’s where I’d draw the line. We have intelligence gathering resources and assets that far surpass anything they have. I spent 16 years circling over the worst parts of the world collecting intelligence that any other country in the world was incapable of. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt…we were never flying blind and that had absolutely nothing to do with Israel’s intel That was my point….”due to their location”, the intelligence they provide is invaluable. Without them there, our intelligence gathering capabilities in that part of the world would suffer greatly. Anyone who doesn’t believe that is….well an idiot. My apologies…flying blind was an analogy….not a slight to a pilot. I sure any pilot in the armed forces, with our technology could fly blind and it wouldn’t matter. I gotcha. What I’m saying is that HUMINT is a tiny fraction of Intel gathering. The decades worth of RC-135, E-8, MC-12, U-28, U2, P3, P8, EC-130, etc aircraft burning holes in the sky above that region provided intel that they couldn’t even comprehend….and that data doesn’t lie.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: RayBob]
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10/02/24 02:29 PM
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I think most of the terrorist activity started after 1948. (Not including Jewish terrorists that bombed the British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine in the King David Hotel.) About 90 people died. Israel was created by forcing Palestinians from their land and giving it to the Jewish state. Gaza and the West bank are oppressed by the Zionists, but nobody cares, especially in the OT section because it's only Muslims being oppressed. Most American Christians are okay with that because it was done to the Native Americans under manifest destiny. Slavery was also justified with reference to God. People shouldn't be so sure of their religious beliefs when they collide with justice and fairness. The Jewish religion rejected Christ. The Quran accepts Christ as a prophet.
I think your timeline is way off but your Muslim speak is well noted. ![[Linked Image]](https://media.tenor.com/Z7OSPMUGX84AAAAd/oh-lord-joe-biden.gif) 
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: Jaredk]
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10/02/24 02:49 PM
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They pay for it 2 fold in intelligence. Without them and their intelligence in that volatile part of the world, we would be flying blind. Not everything comes down to dollars and cents. Just my worth. And what evidence do you have? We have the best military and intelligence gathering agencies in the world. Israel probably doesn't do anything significant for us. It's not an ally, it's a dependency. Why do you think Noo Noo comes over to see Daddy for reassurance and billions in military aid? If we don't cooperate, the Jewish Lobby uses its leverage and everybody falls back in line. It is doubtful that Israel would still exist if it wasn't for the US. Actually, I think you might be wrong. I have a very good friend who is retired after 24 years in Special Forces and his specialty was intelligence. He said Israel is by far and a way the best in this area and he said they probably have the best SF on earth as well. He worked with them very closely. They may have better HUMINT strictly due to their location but that’s where I’d draw the line. We have intelligence gathering resources and assets that far surpass anything they have. I spent 16 years circling over the worst parts of the world collecting intelligence that any other country in the world was incapable of. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt…we were never flying blind and that had absolutely nothing to do with Israel’s intel That was my point….”due to their location”, the intelligence they provide is invaluable. Without them there, our intelligence gathering capabilities in that part of the world would suffer greatly. Anyone who doesn’t believe that is….well an idiot. My apologies…flying blind was an analogy….not a slight to a pilot. I sure any pilot in the armed forces, with our technology could fly blind and it wouldn’t matter. I gotcha. What I’m saying is that HUMINT is a tiny fraction of Intel gathering. The decades worth of RC-135, E-8, MC-12, U-28, U2, P3, P8, EC-130, etc aircraft burning holes in the sky above that region provided intel that they couldn’t even comprehend….and that data doesn’t lie. It’s a tiny fraction, ground intell is a tiny fraction, technology is a tiny fraction….add it all up, it makes up the intell community. Remove any one of the “tiny fractions” and the intell gathering takes huge hit…..just my , I’m not CIA or anything like that…just using common sense here.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: YEE_YEE]
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10/02/24 02:50 PM
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Quite the debate here on intel and capability.
Another very real and frustrating issue is getting the powers to be to act on said intel. Stark differences between U.S. political party Presidents past and present on this matter.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: YEE_YEE]
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10/02/24 04:57 PM
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: YEE_YEE]
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10/02/24 05:03 PM
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This will be the big hit by Gods people, spokesman said it will be painful but within rules of war. That coming from a cornered Israel sounds like it’s about to get real in the sandbox.
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Re: Israel under attack
[Re: YEE_YEE]
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10/02/24 05:11 PM
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I think taking out everything in Iran's nuclear program that Israel can get to will save Israeli lives in the long wrong. I tend to take a dim view of a religion that wants to enslave or kill me because I don't believe their way.
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