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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Canino] #15193752 09/18/24 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Canino
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Today’s events, where nearly 3,000 people were harmed by exploits causing lithium batteries to explode, highlight a disturbing reality and set a dangerous precedent that threatens everyone’s safety


That has not been confirmed.

These were new pagers, distributed within the past month, because their commanders were concerned about cell phone tracking. That leaves open the possibility that they contained some kind of small explosive charge - in short, they might have been rigged. Everyone knows most "hacking" starts with a good amount of social engineering.

Besides that, what is the possibility that any hack on the batteries could reliably and consistently cause a violent explosion? Wouldn't many just fizz out or catch fire, especially since many would not be at 100% charge? Is a L-Ion battery at 25% charge going to explode like that? There don't seem to be any reports of anything but straight up detonations...at least not yet.


Annnnnnd...yeah, it wasn't the batteries.

"The New York Times reported that Israel hid explosive material in the Taiwan-made Gold Apollo pagers before they were imported to Lebanon, citing American and other officials briefed on the operation. The material was implanted next to the battery with a switch that could be triggered remotely to detonate."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...s-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/

Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Blue Moon] #15193756 09/18/24 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Moon
Regardless of your political views, using exploits to harm humans is utterly irresponsible and dangerous. Today’s events, where nearly 3,000 people were harmed by exploits causing lithium batteries to explode, highlight a disturbing reality and set a dangerous precedent that threatens everyone’s safety.

In cybersecurity, our mission is to protect critical infrastructure from a relentless barrage of exploits. We focus on defending utilities, transportation systems, and other essential components of society. These threats are constant and evolving. Misusing technology to directly harm individuals not only endangers lives but also risks disrupting democratic processes, such as elections.

Consider the implications if similar tactics were used to target voters, politicians, or critical services. An exploit like this could halt transportation systems or exert control over society at large. The potential consequences are chilling. Allowing such actions to go unchecked, without accountability, opens the door to even more severe abuses—possibly controlled by AI or authoritarian regimes.


Oh boo hoo… some loser terrorist got what they deserve. Cry me a river!

Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: uncle_bagster] #15193781 09/18/24 01:53 AM
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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Canino] #15193788 09/18/24 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Canino
Originally Posted by Canino
Originally Posted by Blue Moon
Today’s events, where nearly 3,000 people were harmed by exploits causing lithium batteries to explode, highlight a disturbing reality and set a dangerous precedent that threatens everyone’s safety


That has not been confirmed.

These were new pagers, distributed within the past month, because their commanders were concerned about cell phone tracking. That leaves open the possibility that they contained some kind of small explosive charge - in short, they might have been rigged. Everyone knows most "hacking" starts with a good amount of social engineering.

Besides that, what is the possibility that any hack on the batteries could reliably and consistently cause a violent explosion? Wouldn't many just fizz out or catch fire, especially since many would not be at 100% charge? Is a L-Ion battery at 25% charge going to explode like that? There don't seem to be any reports of anything but straight up detonations...at least not yet.


Annnnnnd...yeah, it wasn't the batteries.

"The New York Times reported that Israel hid explosive material in the Taiwan-made Gold Apollo pagers before they were imported to Lebanon, citing American and other officials briefed on the operation. The material was implanted next to the battery with a switch that could be triggered remotely to detonate."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...s-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/

cheers Genius move!


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: WAWI] #15193791 09/18/24 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WAWI
What kind of 3rd world place still uses pagers lol. Good on Mossuad. Send them all to hell.


I’m trying to figure out why anyone on here would feel bad for them.


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: uncle_bagster] #15193952 09/18/24 10:39 AM
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Pretty ingenious move on part of the good guy's.


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: uncle_bagster] #15193999 09/18/24 12:01 PM
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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: grandbassslayer] #15194038 09/18/24 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
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Anything used to rid this world of muslims terrorists is a good thing.


I fixed it for you! I have friends who are Muslim and they rule! They are not all the same.

They’d be cultural Muslims- not true believers.


I dont know about "Cultural Muslims?" They go to Mosque and are from the holy lands. One is from Iraq and one is from Egypt. They are quite "American" in a lot of ways though. I get that. I mean they been here since they were small kids. Is being a "Cultural Muslim" like being a T-Shirt Christian? You the ones who only follow Christ when it suits them? Believers vs. actual Followers?

I have a bible verse memorized for just such occasions... Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again”

Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Canino] #15194098 09/18/24 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Canino
... Annnnnnd...yeah, it wasn't the batteries.

"The New York Times reported that Israel hid explosive material in the Taiwan-made Gold Apollo pagers before they were imported to Lebanon, citing American and other officials briefed on the operation. The material was implanted next to the battery with a switch that could be triggered remotely to detonate."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...s-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/


Why can't anyone keep their mouth shut??? Just let the terrorist sit and wonder... After a while they'll get paranoia and start accusing and attacking each other... But no, some traitor will always say something "On condition of anonymity"... Dan


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: grandbassslayer] #15194128 09/18/24 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
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Pagers!? Besides ER doctors, who still uses a pager?

Guys that screw goats and live in mud huts

roflmao yes


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: uncle_bagster] #15194196 09/18/24 02:53 PM
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Israel has every right to defend themselves. They can do whatever they want as a sovereign country. It's not clear to me how maiming a bunch of people improves their security position, but hey what do I know. That said, I want no part of paying for the war they are attempting to start. Happy to supply them with whatever they want to buy though.


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Jpurdue] #15194210 09/18/24 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Israel has every right to defend themselves. They can do whatever they want as a sovereign country. It's not clear to me how maiming a bunch of people improves their security position, but hey what do I know. That said, I want no part of paying for the war they are attempting to start. Happy to supply them with whatever they want to buy though.


I don’t see it as Israel attempting to start a war-
Just to be clear about that part-


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Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Jpurdue] #15194242 09/18/24 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Israel has every right to defend themselves. They can do whatever they want as a sovereign country. It's not clear to me how maiming a bunch of people improves their security position, but hey what do I know. That said, I want no part of paying for the war they are attempting to start. Happy to supply them with whatever they want to buy though.


I believe Oct 7th started this, not Israel. How can you possibly put any blame at all on Israel after their citizens were slaughtered by soldiers?


What a maroon!
Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: lanman71] #15194250 09/18/24 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lanman71
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Israel has every right to defend themselves. They can do whatever they want as a sovereign country. It's not clear to me how maiming a bunch of people improves their security position, but hey what do I know. That said, I want no part of paying for the war they are attempting to start. Happy to supply them with whatever they want to buy though.


I believe Oct 7th started this, not Israel. How can you possibly put any blame at all on Israel after their citizens were slaughtered by soldiers?


Seems some folks forget that little factoid

Re: Watch out for exploding pagers [Re: Jpurdue] #15194276 09/18/24 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Israel has every right to defend themselves. They can do whatever they want as a sovereign country. It's not clear to me how maiming a bunch of people improves their security position, but hey what do I know. That said, I want no part of paying for the war they are attempting to start. Happy to supply them with whatever they want to buy though.


Israel started this war…are you FKN kidding?

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