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Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Douglas J] #15194150 09/18/24 02:09 PM
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Never gonna be banned at HS level. Just facts.

Besides, no one cares anyway.

HS Fishing is the devil and is to blame for all of the upheaval in bass fishing over the past 10 years. Its also the reason for the high grocery prices and interest rates. bolt


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Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Douglas J] #15194169 09/18/24 02:27 PM
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Did anyone listen to the BTL mega show about the MLF FFS rules? Drew Gill was on there and quite frankly he sounded scared sh#tless about have to fish two periods without the scope next year. I do think some of the organization fear that coming down the ranks any new recruitment will focus solely on this technology to catch fish because thats what gets the wins and makes the checks and won't know any other way to fish.

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Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Douglas J] #15194218 09/18/24 03:02 PM
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Re: Livescope in High School [Re: SC-001] #15194385 09/18/24 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SC-001
Did anyone listen to the BTL mega show about the MLF FFS rules? Drew Gill was on there and quite frankly he sounded scared sh#tless about have to fish two periods without the scope next year. I do think some of the organization fear that coming down the ranks any new recruitment will focus solely on this technology to catch fish because thats what gets the wins and makes the checks and won't know any other way to fish.

Awful lot of innuendo in your post..

Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Tx Tree Grower] #15194612 09/18/24 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tx Tree Grower
Man this got off track. My only point was that all the high school tournament organizations need to consider the rules of the majority of the most popular regional and team trails when looking at rule changes. The reality is that many of the captains that volunteer their time are rigging their boats for those tournaments. Not the high school event. That needs to be a major consideration when these organizations consider new rules. Especially rules regarding boat rigging and technology. After all these high school trails would not exist without boat captains volunteering their time. As crazy as it sounds, captain concerns often get mostly ignored by many of these organizations. Personally I think banning livescope when essentially every major regional trail in Texas allows it would be really really stupid. I know of no high school trail thinking about doing a ban at this time, but I guarantee you it will be brought up by someone pretty much every year going forward.





The largest tournament organization has already banned forward facing sonar at the high school level. Sometimes what the bigger organizations do, will help shape the other trail's standards.


The one trail that has banned it, just happens to be the organization that conducts more tournaments than any of the other organizations.



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Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Douglas J] #15195241 09/19/24 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Douglas J
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Man this got off track. My only point was that all the high school tournament organizations need to consider the rules of the majority of the most popular regional and team trails when looking at rule changes. The reality is that many of the captains that volunteer their time are rigging their boats for those tournaments. Not the high school event. That needs to be a major consideration when these organizations consider new rules. Especially rules regarding boat rigging and technology. After all these high school trails would not exist without boat captains volunteering their time. As crazy as it sounds, captain concerns often get mostly ignored by many of these organizations. Personally I think banning livescope when essentially every major regional trail in Texas allows it would be really really stupid. I know of no high school trail thinking about doing a ban at this time, but I guarantee you it will be brought up by someone pretty much every year going forward.





The largest tournament organization has already banned forward facing sonar at the high school level. Sometimes what the bigger organizations do, will help shape the other trail's standards.


The one trail that has banned it, just happens to be the organization that conducts more tournaments than any of the other organizations.




If other organizations followed what that bigger organization did they would have to change their rules every half season.

Re: Livescope in High School [Re: RKT] #15195707 09/19/24 10:15 PM
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Man this got off track. My only point was that all the high school tournament organizations need to consider the rules of the majority of the most popular regional and team trails when looking at rule changes. The reality is that many of the captains that volunteer their time are rigging their boats for those tournaments. Not the high school event. That needs to be a major consideration when these organizations consider new rules. Especially rules regarding boat rigging and technology. After all these high school trails would not exist without boat captains volunteering their time. As crazy as it sounds, captain concerns often get mostly ignored by many of these organizations. Personally I think banning livescope when essentially every major regional trail in Texas allows it would be really really stupid. I know of no high school trail thinking about doing a ban at this time, but I guarantee you it will be brought up by someone pretty much every year going forward.





The largest tournament organization has already banned forward facing sonar at the high school level. Sometimes what the bigger organizations do, will help shape the other trail's standards.


The one trail that has banned it, just happens to be the organization that conducts more tournaments than any of the other organizations.




If other organizations followed what that bigger organization did they would have to change their rules every half season.



So you are saying nobody uses the larger organizations as a guide to write there own rules and regulations? So people do not consider what he larger organizations do as an industry standard?

Very interesting take on it.


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Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Douglas J] #15195781 09/19/24 11:51 PM
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Man this got off track. My only point was that all the high school tournament organizations need to consider the rules of the majority of the most popular regional and team trails when looking at rule changes. The reality is that many of the captains that volunteer their time are rigging their boats for those tournaments. Not the high school event. That needs to be a major consideration when these organizations consider new rules. Especially rules regarding boat rigging and technology. After all these high school trails would not exist without boat captains volunteering their time. As crazy as it sounds, captain concerns often get mostly ignored by many of these organizations. Personally I think banning livescope when essentially every major regional trail in Texas allows it would be really really stupid. I know of no high school trail thinking about doing a ban at this time, but I guarantee you it will be brought up by someone pretty much every year going forward.





The largest tournament organization has already banned forward facing sonar at the high school level. Sometimes what the bigger organizations do, will help shape the other trail's standards.


The one trail that has banned it, just happens to be the organization that conducts more tournaments than any of the other organizations.




If other organizations followed what that bigger organization did they would have to change their rules every half season.



So you are saying nobody uses the larger organizations as a guide to write there own rules and regulations? So people do not consider what he larger organizations do as an industry standard?

Very interesting take on it.


I think in things like this it is only smart to look at someone else's blueprint and then tweak it as needed to suit your needs. We aren't trying to reinvent the wheel here.
It's no secret that I'm slightly biased to THSBA when compared to the other 2 "big" HS programs. I think it offers more to local anglers as a whole than the "big" ones. Others may have differing opinions and that's ok.
Like it or not, FFS isn't going anywhere until DNRs start ruling it as illegal to use.

Re: Livescope in High School [Re: Douglas J] #15195783 09/19/24 11:52 PM
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Maybe they shouldn't let High School kids play with Composite bats, or Titanium Drivers for competition. HS fishing should learn to fish skulling in a aluminum 14'er with a 18 hp Johnson, using a Zebco 33 like I had to in the late 60's. No, let them use what is available to them. See what they can do with their tech. advances, just as KVD did with GPS, side scan...... They still have to learn to catch them, I have seen tons of bass shallow before there was ever a FFS. And I didn't catch alot of those fish. The only thing ruining fishing is all the Bitching.

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