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Snyder - Earthquake #15138804 07/23/24 03:36 PM
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little earthquake shake last night
wonder what caused this

https://www.google.com/search?q=ear...CCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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It's was FFS at JB Thomas. All thar high frequency sonor pinging around

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Felt it here about 10:45pm last night. I had just sat down on the couch and it felt like someone walked behind me and bumped into the back of it.
https://www.texomashomepage.com/news/local-news/was-there-an-earthquake-in-wichita-falls-texoma/

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Originally Posted by WAWI
It's was FFS at JB Thomas. All thar high frequency sonor pinging around

roflmao


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I heard it was ten or so people gaslit at the same time.


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Wife told me about it this morning, said it woke her up around 10:45 last night. Would have never known had she not said anything.

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Originally Posted by butch sanders
little earthquake shake last night
wonder what caused this

https://www.google.com/search?q=ear...CCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8



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I was going to say fracking bolt popcorn

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It was liberal heads exploding.

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Not the first time there's been one around there.


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I grew up there. Never heard of earthquakes in that area.

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I was in an earthquake in Plainview in the early 90s. Nothing major, but enough to feel it happen.

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Originally Posted by TexDawg
I was going to say fracking bolt popcorn


you win

something makes those plates shift

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Originally Posted by Notaguide
I grew up there. Never heard of earthquakes in that area.


its a relatively new deal

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My old deer lease was about 15 miles from Snyder from 2000 - 2013 and we had 2 while I was there.


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I was in one at the Rio in Las Vegas. The heavy drapes were slapping the window on the 10th floor. Rock and Roll baby. Oh...women were running down the stairs in there night attire. Sorry, no pics.

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Originally Posted by el Rojo
I was in one at the Rio in Las Vegas. The heavy drapes were slapping the window on the 10th floor. Rock and Roll baby. Oh...women were running down the stairs in there night attire. Sorry, no pics.


My god.

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Originally Posted by el Rojo
I was in one at the Rio in Las Vegas. The heavy drapes were slapping the window on the 10th floor. Rock and Roll baby. Oh...women were running down the stairs in there night attire. Sorry, no pics.


I was in the big one in Vegas in the summer of '92. It hit at about 4 a.m. It buckled pavement on the Strip and damaged runways at McCarran Airport. There was also a major aftershock a few hours later. We were staying at the Golden Nugget and definitely felt it.

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Brother lives in Big Spring and told me this evening that he didn't know anything about it


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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?

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interesting. that sounds deep enough to go through several water tables

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Originally Posted by Notaguide
interesting. that sounds deep enough to go through several water tables


It all happens well below any water tables.


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how do they get there? is there no pipe or drilling that goes through water?

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Originally Posted by 9094
Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?

Its not the fracking that causes it, its the waste water injection.

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Originally Posted by Lone_Wolf
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?

Its not the fracking that causes it, its the waste water injection.

Bingo. I wondered for a long long time if fracking was causing the previously unheard of number of earthquakes. We never had that number before. Turns out in a sense fracking has a hand in it due to the efficiency of collection. And all that produced water has to go somewhere so it turns out they are sending it way way deep underground from injection wells right into the earthquake zone. Finally made sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Lone_Wolf
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?

Its not the fracking that causes it, its the waste water injection.


Exactly
A by product of fracking

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Originally Posted by 9094
Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?

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Originally Posted by Jon
Originally Posted by Lone_Wolf
Originally Posted by 9094
Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?

Its not the fracking that causes it, its the waste water injection.

Bingo. I wondered for a long long time if fracking was causing the previously unheard of number of earthquakes. We never had that number before. Turns out in a sense fracking has a hand in it due to the efficiency of collection. And all that produced water has to go somewhere so it turns out they are sending it way way deep underground from injection wells right into the earthquake zone. Finally made sense to me.


BS they are sending back into the same zones they are drilling. Not deep deep in the earth. The majority of injection waste water wells run less than 400 psi. Does anyone really believe that 400 psi can cause an earthquake? Neither fracking or injection wells.cause earthquakes. Seismic activity goes in cycles and these are not the first recorded earthquakes in Texas. They had them way before fracking or even oil drilling was invented.
If you believe that drilling,fracking and injection wells cause the earth to move you should believe in man made climate change since they are both BS.


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Originally Posted by butch sanders
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.


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I was here in Odessa and I didn't feel anything.


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Originally Posted by 9094
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.

You better be careful, he’ll PM you a threat.

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Originally Posted by Ghost4BH
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.

You better be careful, he’ll PM you a threat.

roflmao


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Originally Posted by Ghost4BH
Originally Posted by 9094
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.

You better be careful, he’ll PM you a threat.


I list the town I live in. He can threaten me in person.


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Nobody threatens in person, anymore. That is so 1994.

This is the digital age, and Albany is way out in BFE.

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https://www.gem.wiki/SACROC Not saying what caused the earthquake, but tertiary injection in this area has been going on for over 50 years. Alternatively injecting water and co2. Mixing water and co2 makes one of the most corrosive mixtures found. And the expansion rate of co2 amazing compared to other gasses. I have pumped co2 at up to 3200 psi and waste water at 2300 psi for oil recovery I have also had a disposal well that was on a vacuum, no pump needed, would suck the water back into the earth. Formation vary a great deal. Every action has a reaction.

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Originally Posted by SirVeza
https://www.gem.wiki/SACROC Not saying what caused the earthquake, but tertiary injection in this area has been going on for over 50 years. Alternatively injecting water and co2. Mixing water and co2 makes one of the most corrosive mixtures found. And the expansion rate of co2 amazing compared to other gasses. I have pumped co2 at up to 3200 psi and waste water at 2300 psi for oil recovery I have also had a disposal well that was on a vacuum, no pump needed, would suck the water back into the earth. Formation vary a great deal. Every action has a reaction.


yep

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Originally Posted by SirVeza
https://www.gem.wiki/SACROC Not saying what caused the earthquake, but tertiary injection in this area has been going on for over 50 years. Alternatively injecting water and co2. Mixing water and co2 makes one of the most corrosive mixtures found. And the expansion rate of co2 amazing compared to other gasses. I have pumped co2 at up to 3200 psi and waste water at 2300 psi for oil recovery I have also had a disposal well that was on a vacuum, no pump needed, would suck the water back into the earth. Formation vary a great deal. Every action has a reaction.


the link is fascinating

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more today
what have we done

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more today
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Shook or jiggled most likely

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Confirmed. Felt some shaking up here in Amarillo.

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Originally Posted by 9094
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.


Ignore butch, he rides the short bus

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Originally Posted by Dubee
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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.


Ignore butch, he rides the short bus


u need to ignore me scott

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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.


Ignore butch, he rides the short bus

Uhhh oh, he’s going to PM threats to you too.

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Easy to tell who’s worked in the oil and gas industry and who watches cnn! Also don’t believe everything Wikipedia post, see the cnn comment!

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Hi, I'm new here . Is Butch some kind of tough guy? I for one cannot deal with internet threats.


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Recall participating in a similar discussion that surfaced last year. Both the USGS and the oil and gas industry, themselves, took a position of “causation”…

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Originally Posted by B-rader
Hi, I'm new here . Is Butch some kind of tough guy? I for one cannot deal with internet threats.

Only in his own mind, everyone else just laughs at him, especially when he PMs threats.

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Originally Posted by B-rader
Hi, I'm new here . Is Butch some kind of tough guy? I for one cannot deal with internet threats.


No I am not
That idiot ghost made some comments about my family
&
I asked him to meet me
He declined

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Originally Posted by B-rader
Hi, I'm new here . Is Butch some kind of tough guy? I for one cannot deal with internet threats.


No I am not
That idiot ghost made some comments about my family
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I asked him to meet me
He declined

Just so everyone can see how much of a liar you are

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Not sure what I lied about
Your pretty much a P

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Originally Posted by butch sanders
Not sure what I lied about
Your pretty much a P

Where in that PM did you say anything about meeting? You said you were going to find me…..I’m still waiting.

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Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


Have you spit out your silver spoon?


FU butch I’m the last guy on earth that can be accused of having a silver spoon.

You better be careful, he’ll PM you a threat.


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It’s You’re not Your. If you are gonna PM and post threats at least respect the grammar police.

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Ghost..why didn't you tell where you are then? Seems shady , he's calling you out now. Why not meet up now?


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Originally Posted by B-rader
Ghost..why didn't you tell where you are then? Seems shady , he's calling you out now. Why not meet up now?

He’s an idiot, and there is no need to waste time with stupid people. It’s better to just laugh and make fun of them.

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Originally Posted by 9094
Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


I believe most of the attention is on injection wells that can cause earthquakes. Oklahoma overhauled its rules on injection wells over it and in 2021 Texas halted new injection well permits for a time due to an uptick in earthquakes. What became of that? Did they limit or change the process in any way?
Texas first started looking at it in 2014 or 2015 I believe.


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I am wrong but you can not prove it, you just believe it enough from the bottom of your heart.....
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Originally Posted by Allison1
Originally Posted by 9094
Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


I believe most of the attention is on injection wells that can cause earthquakes. Oklahoma overhauled its rules on injection wells over it and in 2021 Texas halted new injection well permits for a time due to an uptick in earthquakes. What became of that? Did they limit or change the process in any way?
Texas first started looking at it in 2014 or 2015 I believe.





Yea don’t read the article I posted about they have been tracking earthquakes in Texas since the beginning army 1800s. Or the fact that inj action wells don’t get deep enough to cause damage. There are a lot of articles on fracking and inj cation causing earthquakes. It the facts are they have been happening here in Texas forever.
And Texas did not halt permits because of injection wells, they did so because they did not have the manpower during Covid available to process them. I know this for a fact.

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It’s fair to say we don’t know.

Plenty of thorough studies in the 1950s through the 1980s performed at Duke, Virginia, UNC, Wake Forest and other Tobacco Road universities that consistently found no association or correlation between cancer and cigarettes/chew


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It’s fair to say we don’t know.

Plenty of thorough studies in the 1950s through the 1980s performed at Duke, Virginia, UNC, Wake Forest and other Tobacco Road universities that consistently found no association or correlation between cancer and cigarettes/chew


we know
have you ever seen a patch when they stop drilling
looks like a horde of locust went through there

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Originally Posted by 9094
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Originally Posted by 9094
Fracking cannot cause earthquakes for any of the morons wondering. The deepest cracks are around 15000 foot. That doesn’t scratch the earths surface.
It yall keep on thinking that.
Butch have you gone total solar and electric truck charges by solar yet in protest of oil and gas production?


I believe most of the attention is on injection wells that can cause earthquakes. Oklahoma overhauled its rules on injection wells over it and in 2021 Texas halted new injection well permits for a time due to an uptick in earthquakes. What became of that? Did they limit or change the process in any way?
Texas first started looking at it in 2014 or 2015 I believe.





Yea don’t read the article I posted about they have been tracking earthquakes in Texas since the beginning army 1800s. Or the fact that inj action wells don’t get deep enough to cause damage. There are a lot of articles on fracking and inj cation causing earthquakes. It the facts are they have been happening here in Texas forever.
And Texas did not halt permits because of injection wells, they did so because they did not have the manpower during Covid available to process them. I know this for a fact.


I read what you said but I took what I've read about Oklahoma and Texas both to be more accurate.
What I meant about 2014 was that Texas took a critical look at the issue of a link between drilling and earthquakes.
Here is a 2014 article where the state proposed changing the rules because of earthquakes.
https://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/2014/10/28/responding-to-quakes-texas-passes-disposal-well-rules/

There are numerous articles about the states concern.
2021 and 2023

Somebody believes there is a causation affect. I believe that would include both Texas and Oklahoma.


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