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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/13/24 02:16 PM
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shanetx
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I'm sure there are strong opinions on this subject, but I am curious to see what the majority thinks. My question is: Should Livescope be outlawed?
Personally, I think it should be outlawed. I consider Livescope to be the same as gill netting. There is no sport in dropping a hook into a fishes mouth via video screen. What are your opinions?
Asking for an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about from the sound of your post. Can't speak for others but as an owner and user of FFS for several years now if I think you're technology challenged because you're old and technology passed you by or you're just ignorant as can be. What needs to be banned is lazy arguments and resorting to generalities. Being old and having technology pass you is a thing of the past. My dad is in his 60s and works on AI. This idea was maybe valid with older generations but people who grew up around technology didn't just forget how to use when it was attached to a boat. Someone people just have different perspectives on technology and the traditions of hunting. Nothing more satisfying then getting a buck for example with a bow and arrow to some though they are still 2a supporters for example.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/16/24 12:04 AM
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Harleydude
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You can consider it whatever you want but the fact of the matter is it is nothing like what you consider. Anyone that has used it would know that. Hell no it shouldn’t be outlawed. If you don’t want to use it don’t. Is that such a hard concept?
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/17/24 02:48 PM
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wytex
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Just because you can see the fish doesn't mean you will catch the fish.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/17/24 03:38 PM
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Mo
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Why stop there ? Lets outlaw all electronic devices and make every body of water , catch and release with barbless hooks ? No motorized crafts , no live bait , no guides , no fishing on weekends.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/17/24 04:14 PM
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Jimbo
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Why stop there and just outlaw tournaments all together, then the bassboat industry, and fishing equipment industry will just die and wither away. ![hammer hammer](/forums/images/graemlins/default/hammer.gif)
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/17/24 11:21 PM
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Just because you can see the fish doesn't mean you will catch the fish.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/18/24 02:53 PM
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/19/24 12:41 PM
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TopwaterTom
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Do you have it on your boat? If so, how long have you used it? What brand? To compare it to gill netting is just a blanket ignorant statement. And saying that dropping a hook into a fishes mouth via video screen, well that just proves how uneducated you are on the subject.
So from your crappy statements, I'll guess that you don't have it on your boat and have never used it. It's like saying, I have a 200hp motor on my boat, so I think the guys with 250hp motors should be banned.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
[Re: shanetx]
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06/25/24 12:04 AM
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Mark Perry
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I'm sure there are strong opinions on this subject, but I am curious to see what the majority thinks. My question is: Should Livescope be outlawed?
Personally, I think it should be outlawed. I consider Livescope to be the same as gill netting. There is no sport in dropping a hook into a fishes mouth via video screen. What are your opinions?
Asking for an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about from the sound of your post. Can't speak for others but as an owner and user of FFS for several years now if I think you're technology challenged because you're old and technology passed you by or you're just ignorant as can be. What needs to be banned is lazy arguments and resorting to generalities. Being old and having technology pass you is a thing of the past. My dad is in his 60s and works on AI. This idea was maybe valid with older generations but people who grew up around technology didn't just forget how to use when it was attached to a boat. Someone people just have different perspectives on technology and the traditions of hunting. Nothing more satisfying then getting a buck for example with a bow and arrow to some though they are still 2a supporters for example. Wasn't the original post a generality and kind of a lazy argument because from the examples given in that post it is painfully obvious the OP probably has no firsthand experience using FFS?
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/25/24 01:00 AM
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There's a thread in the crappie section about how Mississippi Dept of wildlife & fisheries has reduced the crappie limits due to overall increased harvests. The department directly links the increased use of FFS as a factor in the unsustainable harvest of crappie.
That has me paying attention. There are times when a given technology or fishing method is so effective that it's harmful to the targeted fish population. My favorite example is the old 'fish traps' that were once used in Alaska that nearly wiped out salmon in many areas.
Maybe there's some merit in the idea that FFS is too effective for recreational fishing.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/25/24 12:11 PM
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Mark Perry
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There's a thread in the crappie section about how Mississippi Dept of wildlife & fisheries has reduced the crappie limits due to overall increased harvests. The department directly links the increased use of FFS as a factor in the unsustainable harvest of crappie.
That has me paying attention. There are times when a given technology or fishing method is so effective that it's harmful to the targeted fish population. My favorite example is the old 'fish traps' that were once used in Alaska that nearly wiped out salmon in many areas.
Maybe there's some merit in the idea that FFS is too effective for recreational fishing. No one really keeps bass though. How is it decimating the bass population?
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/26/24 12:50 AM
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SC-001
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It shouldn't be allowed in competitive events but that's for the organization to decide, for general public usage have at it.
Last edited by SC-001; 06/26/24 12:51 AM.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/26/24 08:53 AM
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ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
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I throw my two cents worth into this conversation. I think you are assuming that FFS/Livescope works like a laser beam and it doesn't. It is more like a 12 gauge shotgun with an improved cylinder choke in it and the further the target is from the transducer the wider the signal so at an average cast distance what you are seeing on the screen could be a few feet from one side or the other so dropping a lure in front of a fishes nose is still more about luck especially at a distance. I fished next to a guy at Fork two weeks ago that was using in in a tournament, I don't have it yet and he couldn't get them to bite, but neither did I and I used side scan to locate the fish I was fishing for. Here's a video that explains what I'm saying.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
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06/26/24 12:43 PM
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Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell
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New Technology.
Advance with it or not that is to each person decision.
We advanced with Side Imaging or Down Imaging.
I look at it like this you have a ( smart phone not a dial up phone ) , because you went with the new technology.
Embrace it and learn it or not . Your choice.
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Re: Should Live Scope be outlawed?
[Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
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06/26/24 12:59 PM
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New Technology.
Advance with it or not that is to each person decision.
We advanced with Side Imaging or Down Imaging.
I look at it like this you have a ( smart phone not a dial up phone ) , because you went with the new technology.
Embrace it and learn it or not . Your choice.
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