Plenty of Raptor R’s available for $20k over msrp

Those will actually bring it. They bring almost that over at Auction with short miles.

They can keep them at 20K over. MSRP max with my trade in and cash or no deal. I should probably just order one and wait forever.

Stop saying, 'cash'.



Tell them you're willing to finance out to 6 years. Not 7 or 8. BS it at 6 years.


Once your order shows up. Tell them it's cash. You changed your mind. You love the vehicle that much and wanna take it on spot.

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In Texas. For any document to take effect. Requires the buyer to take delivery. With dealerships setting the standard. You must leave the property to take possession. 'Bust the curb' in industry speak.


You can sign everything, including the bathroom wall. But You Do Not Own It, until you leave the property. Bust the curb.


And unless you bust said curb. You can tell them to stick it. Don't want it. (They can't make you take it. )

LOL! No thanks.

Haven't you've ever wondered what's the exact moment you start owning it? No turning back. It's Yours?

If I order it I want it. I don’t order stuff to play games. Only reason I haven’t ordered one is because of the wait which means I have to replace my current Raptor with a new one before the R would arrive at this point. Unless I got lucky.

The other name for games is negotiating and you're going up against the best.

How poorly do some people handle money?

How do you get $41K upside down in a vehicle? I bought a new truck in 1989 and paid cash and got a new truck every 18-24 months until 2011 or so. Only ever had a car note once, it's because I also bought a couple year old Vette the same day. It was a trade in and was a deal and couldn't leave without it, lol.


Still how does that happen?

I have had equity in my 2012 F150 since mid 2014, 107K miles on it.

2017-2019

(Mine is a 2015 GM product)



Not much of quality issues. Every year after that. Read the warranty.

Talk about all hat and no cattle…..😆

Because most all adults have never told themselves no to anything.

Poor impulse control and financial sense. These are the people Dave Ramsey ends up hearing from.

Well, in the 'classic' days of car sales, you paid a significant down payment - say 10-20% and financed the rest. Because the second you drive it off the lot, the vehicle depreciates a fair chunk. Since 9/11, car dealers have moved almost entirely to 0% down, which means that most buyers are upside down for the first 2-3 years of the note (or even longer). Combine that with the insane policies of lending more than MSRP, and having car loans that are now 7-8+ years, and it's easy for someone to get that far u[side down.

Parenthetically, if you were paying cash and trading in every 18-24 months, it means that you gave up alot of equity in your vehicles over those years.