No I do not know that terminology Bluesman.. Are you starting [censored] with me ?

Do you answer to panty stain?

What's your point Outfishdya ?
He quoted me so I asked

No, panty stain is Jaredk's nickname.

actually it is chest high and it looks like this

Careful looks like that's a risk to blowing your nads off

He and the others just cant help themselves. They are a hoot.

Please don't accuse me of having a point.. I was gonna start a poll, but I always get confused

Could be, but it is a standard defensive position. One of the first taught to Seals in BUDS.

To late for a point

Where are all my Kel Tec offers. I was anticipating quite a haul.

Kimber makes beautiful handguns, but there is truth to kimber questionable being their unofficial motto.

And the Sig 320 has a history of going off without any help also. Pete at PGS Precision likes Kel Tec and he is a well know long distance shooter and rifle builder.

Like, Love or hate them, you'd be hard pressed to find a better backpack type carbine than the kel tec sub 2000. Uses standard glock, beretta, or multi ( with mag catch plate installed for mag type). 9mm or .40 S&W, the new gen 3 had optic ready ability without an adapter required. ( I have a gen 2 with a 45 degree offset pic rail for red dot.). They are simple, run well. Folds up nicely.

Kel Tec makes a great bull pup shotgun as well.

I have an ar pistil with a folder and takedown barrel. It will compact to about 10" in length. It is much heavier than the sub 2k, and I will tote it at times. However around town in a light bag, the sub 2k fits the bill perfectly. Add some 33 round glock sticks and a person is well defended.

I totally agree with you. The gen 3 turns when it folds back so you can add anything you want ot the top rail and still fold it. Thats why I ordered it. You can also get 50 and 100 round drum mags for it. Im going suppressor on mine and I think I am gonnal like it. I am told that that with a good red dot and magnifier you can get a 1-2 inch spread at 100 yards which is not bad at all for a 9mm. im looking at a Primary Arms SLx MD-25 Rotary Knob 25mm Microdot Gen II with AutoLive - ACSS-CQB Red Dot. The gun only weighs about 4.5 lbs. Im gonna keep it under my seat in the truck if it fits.

I have the bullpup survival in 223 also. I really like it. The survival doesnt have pistol grips which means one hand carry. It takes any ar15 mag and has a threaded barrell. I put a firefield scope on it. Firefield is a new Texas company and I really like their products. It shoots as accurately as any ar15. I can also use the suppressor from the gen 3 on the bullpup.